Squeak-Squeal-grind in primary after stator replacement
Dirt don't hurt
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From: Haslet Texas
I did here the noise one or two times before the most recent repair, and it was at least a couple hundred miles apart and it only a few seconds at a time,I actually thought it was the car next to me...
The bike did have primary fluid
I'm afraid if I take it apart I wouldn't know what I'm looking at! But I'm willing to try if you guys will coach me along the way.
The bike did have primary fluid
I'm afraid if I take it apart I wouldn't know what I'm looking at! But I'm willing to try if you guys will coach me along the way.
It will get a little messy.
Cruiser
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From: Minnesnowta
If that was my bike and I had just spent 800 bucks, I would trailer that back to the shop, fire it up, and and say "fix the f%#ker." But that's just me.
I hope it's something simple and with the help from this great forum it gets fixed fast.
I hope it's something simple and with the help from this great forum it gets fixed fast.
Dirt don't hurt
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From: Haslet Texas
Once a shop screws up something of mine I either take it somewhere else or fix it myself.
The way I see it is if they couldn't fix it right the first time why would I think they could fix it right the second time.
Cruiser
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From: Minnesnowta
I have a history with a couple of "Indies" in my home town that I trust and if they did something wrong, I know they would make it right. After all no one is perfect, and at times mistakes are made.
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From: Canton, Michigan
The squeal in that video made my teeth hurt!
Let me ask you this: Was the bike in gear while on the stand? If it was continue reading.
Put the bike on the side stand, let it sit overnight. Next day or two later, reach up under the inner primary between the transmission and the drive pulley. Is there oil?
That screech is a duplicate of the sound my 93 made when the retaining nut/plate loosened up on the drive sprocket, causing it to hit the inner primary. Another fine design idea brought to you by The MoCo. Harley was aware of this problem, and 'upgraded' the design in 1994. In fact, when mine happened (outside of Chambersburg, PA), the dealer installed the upgrade kit. I got a warning months before as I had an intermittent leak from the primary (which I thought was a bad outer gasket and replaced). It doesn't need to loosen up much to leak, loosen up a bit more, and it will hit the inner primary. When I noticed a drop of oil under the bike a couple of years later, I took it in and had it fixed (again). That's been over ten years since the last 'fix', and still going strong.
In your situation, I would imagine that the shop didn't torque the nut down (it's 110-120 ft/lbs and no more than 150 ft/lbs to align lock plate according to my FSM) correctly. And/Or didn't install the lock plate correctly. JIMS, has a good replacement for The MoCo designed part, but it's pricey.
It's a two-three/four hour job to pull the outer/inner primaries off and R&R the drive sprocket (air tools are a plus). I think the last time (without looking at my paperwork) it cost me around $300 to have the dealership in Kissimmee, FL R&R mine.
Good Luck.
Let me ask you this: Was the bike in gear while on the stand? If it was continue reading.
Put the bike on the side stand, let it sit overnight. Next day or two later, reach up under the inner primary between the transmission and the drive pulley. Is there oil?
That screech is a duplicate of the sound my 93 made when the retaining nut/plate loosened up on the drive sprocket, causing it to hit the inner primary. Another fine design idea brought to you by The MoCo. Harley was aware of this problem, and 'upgraded' the design in 1994. In fact, when mine happened (outside of Chambersburg, PA), the dealer installed the upgrade kit. I got a warning months before as I had an intermittent leak from the primary (which I thought was a bad outer gasket and replaced). It doesn't need to loosen up much to leak, loosen up a bit more, and it will hit the inner primary. When I noticed a drop of oil under the bike a couple of years later, I took it in and had it fixed (again). That's been over ten years since the last 'fix', and still going strong.
In your situation, I would imagine that the shop didn't torque the nut down (it's 110-120 ft/lbs and no more than 150 ft/lbs to align lock plate according to my FSM) correctly. And/Or didn't install the lock plate correctly. JIMS, has a good replacement for The MoCo designed part, but it's pricey.
It's a two-three/four hour job to pull the outer/inner primaries off and R&R the drive sprocket (air tools are a plus). I think the last time (without looking at my paperwork) it cost me around $300 to have the dealership in Kissimmee, FL R&R mine.
Good Luck.
Last edited by Hackd; Aug 16, 2013 at 06:23 AM.
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From: Scotland,UK
I recently had a similar problem with noise from the primary rotor/armature area after replacing a faulty armature. I dismantled the rotor and armature and found that ONE of the TWO small connector screws (see official factory service manual.. page 8-20 Figure 8-15.) which hold the small bracket that keeps the armature wiring tight against the crankcase had come loose and was rubbing against the inner edge of the rotor. Small screw but big noise.!! The 2 screws are "star" type and if they have been unscrewed in the past the thread may be worn or the head "chewed" which can cause a problem when tightening down. Small touch of Loctite when refitting new screws.
Just a suggestion based on my own experience. Bungo
Just a suggestion based on my own experience. Bungo
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5th Gear
Joined: Aug 2013
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From: Cincinnati
I just tore down the primary, I found a little metal stuck to the plug...this primary fluid is only 25 miles old!!!
Please see the bare metal around the rotor, is it walking???
Please see the bare metal around the rotor, is it walking???
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From: Florida
I'd be digging in to find where it came from. It's obvious to me that noise was metal scraping metal, so there will be debris. But it sure looks dry in there. How much fluid was in there anyway?
Dirt don't hurt
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From: Haslet Texas
The good thing about finding metal shavings in the primary is that you won't have to pull off the inner primary to find what is scraping.
Let us know what you find.