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Old Feb 17, 2010 | 09:45 AM
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I have a 2002 Fat Boy built to a big bore 95ci and I want to have the starter last longer.......it fires right up but it kiks back once and a while the engine has been camed also.
I was wondering about Compresion Releases and about the rite ones are they in the heads? or in the valve covers?
Where is a good place for me to start?
 

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Old Feb 17, 2010 | 10:28 AM
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I would tell you to go SEARCH in type in compression release.
There must be a ton of info out there.
 
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Old Feb 17, 2010 | 11:28 AM
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I'd recommend a set of manual releases. They always work and they are easy to replace/clean if you need to (although I don't recall hearing any stories on here about the automatic ones failing). They are typically mounted in each head right next to the spark plug hole.

I'm not totally sure about this, but it seems like the automatic ones fit down through the rocker box under the tank.
 
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Old Feb 17, 2010 | 06:30 PM
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manual compression releases will work best for ya. you know you should pull the heads when they are being installed.
 
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Old Feb 17, 2010 | 07:45 PM
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For a mild build and occasional hot starts, how about lifter travel limiters.
 
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Old Feb 17, 2010 | 08:03 PM
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I'm a bit of a dumbass at times, but how do lifter travel limiters help hot compression starts? Maybe I just thought I understood what they do. Just curious.
 
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Old Feb 17, 2010 | 08:18 PM
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we use goodson manual releases,make sure you use good,USA made releases.also when machining the heads,only go into the head with a .187 hole in case there is a failure,the pieces wont fall into combustion chamber,we machine thread length of open release + .050,then just a .187 hole into chamber.
 
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Originally Posted by 07RoadHawg
I'm a bit of a dumbass at times, but how do lifter travel limiters help hot compression starts? Maybe I just thought I understood what they do. Just curious.
Not a mechanic - have read about people using them them and know a guy that used them in his build. They basically limit the lifter travel, which helps when they bleed down when the motors hot and you try to start it and get a kick back. Some say to try adjusting the pr's more. But, this does not have the same effect as travel limiters.


Found this. Search for more info...

"Another benefit of limiting tappet plunger movement is easier starting. When an engine is not running, the hydraulic tappets tend to bleed down. The effect of this is higher cranking compression when restarting the engine. Some high-compression, large-displacement engines may become very difficult, if not impossible, to start. With the HL2T spacer installed, the collapsing effect is minimized and both high-rpm performance and starting are improved. Under typical driving conditions, normal hydraulic function and the benefits of a hydraulic tappet (minimal noise and maintenance) are retained.” I still am a big fan of limiter kits when using Andrews, Crane, or S&S cams, to name a few. However, they are all long duration cams relative to their lifts."
 
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Originally Posted by 07RoadHawg
I'd recommend a set of manual releases. They always work and they are easy to replace/clean if you need to (although I don't recall hearing any stories on here about the automatic ones failing). They are typically mounted in each head right next to the spark plug hole.

I'm not totally sure about this, but it seems like the automatic ones fit down through the rocker box under the tank.
My S&S motor came with auto ones fitted and in 8k miles I haven't had to think of them. They are indeed fitted under the rocker boxes, but the engine was machined for them from new.
 

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Originally Posted by KumaRide
Not a mechanic - have read about people using them them and know a guy that used them in his build. They basically limit the lifter travel, which helps when they bleed down when the motors hot and you try to start it and get a kick back. Some say to try adjusting the pr's more. But, this does not have the same effect as travel limiters.


Found this. Search for more info...

"Another benefit of limiting tappet plunger movement is easier starting. When an engine is not running, the hydraulic tappets tend to bleed down. The effect of this is higher cranking compression when restarting the engine. Some high-compression, large-displacement engines may become very difficult, if not impossible, to start. With the HL2T spacer installed, the collapsing effect is minimized and both high-rpm performance and starting are improved. Under typical driving conditions, normal hydraulic function and the benefits of a hydraulic tappet (minimal noise and maintenance) are retained.” I still am a big fan of limiter kits when using Andrews, Crane, or S&S cams, to name a few. However, they are all long duration cams relative to their lifts."
Interesting. I hadn't thought about the aspect of the valves not opening fully due to a collapsed lifter leading to higher ccp. Thanks for doing the google for me
 
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