Reliability of 10.5 to 9.8 compression builds
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RE: Reliability of 10.5 to 9.8 compression builds
ORIGINAL: PhilM
Slayer....
Sounds like you've got quite a plan going there and Steve's stuff is good, so rest assured you'll be happy with it.
I might make one suggestion.... Since a SERT is ~$500 + tuning and the tune is only as good as the tuner, you should take a sincere look at either a ThunderMax or Daytona TwinTec Closed Loop system. Both now have dual channel units that will tweak both the front & rear cylinders individually, as you ride.
You have a significant investment going, so for only ~$300 more, you could then feel confident in your tune all the time! Change pipes, change this, change that..... no biggie, no retune.... the system does it for ya on the fly!
Slayer....
Sounds like you've got quite a plan going there and Steve's stuff is good, so rest assured you'll be happy with it.
I might make one suggestion.... Since a SERT is ~$500 + tuning and the tune is only as good as the tuner, you should take a sincere look at either a ThunderMax or Daytona TwinTec Closed Loop system. Both now have dual channel units that will tweak both the front & rear cylinders individually, as you ride.
You have a significant investment going, so for only ~$300 more, you could then feel confident in your tune all the time! Change pipes, change this, change that..... no biggie, no retune.... the system does it for ya on the fly!
Why is it that everybody that suggest one of the alternate fuel sources justifies it by saying the SERT cost $500. For once and for all that is BS. The Harley retail is not even that high.
And that Daytona TwinTec system. It is dang near $900. The ThunderMax is closer to the $500 than the SERT.
You can buy a sert from several harley dealers or on ebay for $360 to $390. There is one on ebay right now for $289. That's a long way from $500. Just make sure to email and verify that it has never been used.
Once it has been hooked up and the software run it marries itself to the ECM in the MC. It can not be used on any other Harley.
You don't install a SERT. You hook the SERT up to your MC. It allows the software that you load on your computer to talk to the ECM on your MC.
Nothing special, nothing magic, and it's not rocket science. Installing the software takes longer than hooking it up. My 9 year old niece can do it.
Once you have "installed" it, you have complete control over the tuning of the ECM. Harley has maps that have already been setup for different pipe and filter combinations from Harley.
If you use aftermarket you can start with a Harley map and tune from there, or there are hundreds of Harley owners that have already done this and will share their expertise.
If you want the most from your upgrades. Get the SERT and have it dyno tuned.
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RE: Reliability of 10.5 to 9.8 compression builds
ORIGINAL: wlbowers
Why is it that everybody that suggest one of the alternate fuel sources justifies it by saying the SERT cost $500. For once and for all that is BS. The Harley retail is not even that high.
And that Daytona TwinTec system. It is dang near $900. The ThunderMax is closer to the $500 than the SERT.
You can buy a sert from several harley dealers or on ebay for $360 to $390. There is one on ebay right now for $289. That's a long way from $500. Just make sure to email and verify that it has never been used.
Once it has been hooked up and the software run it marries itself to the ECM in the MC. It can not be used on any other Harley.
You don't install a SERT. You hook the SERT up to your MC. It allows the software that you load on your computer to talk to the ECM on your MC.
Nothing special, nothing magic, and it's not rocket science. Installing the software takes longer than hooking it up. My 9 year old niece can do it.
Once you have "installed" it, you have complete control over the tuning of the ECM. Harley has maps that have already been setup for different pipe and filter combinations from Harley.
If you use aftermarket you can start with a Harley map and tune from there, or there are hundreds of Harley owners that have already done this and will share their expertise.
If you want the most from your upgrades. Get the SERT and have it dyno tuned.
ORIGINAL: PhilM
Slayer....
Sounds like you've got quite a plan going there and Steve's stuff is good, so rest assured you'll be happy with it.
I might make one suggestion.... Since a SERT is ~$500 + tuning and the tune is only as good as the tuner, you should take a sincere look at either a ThunderMax or Daytona TwinTec Closed Loop system. Both now have dual channel units that will tweak both the front & rear cylinders individually, as you ride.
You have a significant investment going, so for only ~$300 more, you could then feel confident in your tune all the time! Change pipes, change this, change that..... no biggie, no retune.... the system does it for ya on the fly!
Slayer....
Sounds like you've got quite a plan going there and Steve's stuff is good, so rest assured you'll be happy with it.
I might make one suggestion.... Since a SERT is ~$500 + tuning and the tune is only as good as the tuner, you should take a sincere look at either a ThunderMax or Daytona TwinTec Closed Loop system. Both now have dual channel units that will tweak both the front & rear cylinders individually, as you ride.
You have a significant investment going, so for only ~$300 more, you could then feel confident in your tune all the time! Change pipes, change this, change that..... no biggie, no retune.... the system does it for ya on the fly!
Why is it that everybody that suggest one of the alternate fuel sources justifies it by saying the SERT cost $500. For once and for all that is BS. The Harley retail is not even that high.
And that Daytona TwinTec system. It is dang near $900. The ThunderMax is closer to the $500 than the SERT.
You can buy a sert from several harley dealers or on ebay for $360 to $390. There is one on ebay right now for $289. That's a long way from $500. Just make sure to email and verify that it has never been used.
Once it has been hooked up and the software run it marries itself to the ECM in the MC. It can not be used on any other Harley.
You don't install a SERT. You hook the SERT up to your MC. It allows the software that you load on your computer to talk to the ECM on your MC.
Nothing special, nothing magic, and it's not rocket science. Installing the software takes longer than hooking it up. My 9 year old niece can do it.
Once you have "installed" it, you have complete control over the tuning of the ECM. Harley has maps that have already been setup for different pipe and filter combinations from Harley.
If you use aftermarket you can start with a Harley map and tune from there, or there are hundreds of Harley owners that have already done this and will share their expertise.
If you want the most from your upgrades. Get the SERT and have it dyno tuned.
SERT $360
Tuner $225 @$75 an hour 2-4 hours
$585
Change Cam , Heads, intake exhaust back to the tuner
$150
$735 Close to the cost of the Thundermax with Autotune.
The TM w AT and the Twin Tec both learn from your driving habits and adjust accordingly. When you change the cam, heads, exhaust or intake they adjust accordingly because of the technology they use. I do not know of anyone who drives a street bike the way it is tuned on the dyno.
But, bottom line is do your homework on all the products, talk to your buddies about the local tuners and what they are familiar with and IF they know what they (the tuners)are doing. The only reason I say this is I read all the time in several forums about the lack of Great Tuners. There are a lot of good/mediocore tuners out there but I am hearing and seeing Great ones are hard to find and if you find them they are miles away. I my location I know this to be true.
In the end go with what YOU are comfortable with.
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RE: Reliability of 10.5 to 9.8 compression builds
I'm surprised no one has mentioned the PCIII UHB.It's a worthy unit, cheaper, and dependable, configurable, will controlgas/air and ignition for individual cylinders, and always updatable.What more do you need? Dynojet tuning centers are the most abundant, but you can get close on your own with a little study. You hear about problems here and there, yeah, but look at how many of these units are in circulation.................No different than any other quality product. I'm just sayin'...............
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RE: Reliability of 10.5 to 9.8 compression builds
ORIGINAL: wlbowers
Why is it that everybody that suggest one of the alternate fuel sources justifies it by saying the SERT cost $500. For once and for all that is BS. The Harley retail is not even that high.
ORIGINAL: PhilM
Slayer....
Sounds like you've got quite a plan going there and Steve's stuff is good, so rest assured you'll be happy with it.
I might make one suggestion.... Since a SERT is ~$500 + tuning and the tune is only as good as the tuner, you should take a sincere look at either a ThunderMax or Daytona TwinTec Closed Loop system. Both now have dual channel units that will tweak both the front & rear cylinders individually, as you ride.
You have a significant investment going, so for only ~$300 more, you could then feel confident in your tune all the time! Change pipes, change this, change that..... no biggie, no retune.... the system does it for ya on the fly!
Slayer....
Sounds like you've got quite a plan going there and Steve's stuff is good, so rest assured you'll be happy with it.
I might make one suggestion.... Since a SERT is ~$500 + tuning and the tune is only as good as the tuner, you should take a sincere look at either a ThunderMax or Daytona TwinTec Closed Loop system. Both now have dual channel units that will tweak both the front & rear cylinders individually, as you ride.
You have a significant investment going, so for only ~$300 more, you could then feel confident in your tune all the time! Change pipes, change this, change that..... no biggie, no retune.... the system does it for ya on the fly!
Why is it that everybody that suggest one of the alternate fuel sources justifies it by saying the SERT cost $500. For once and for all that is BS. The Harley retail is not even that high.
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