did i pick the wrong cam???
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From: jonestown pa
Thank You everyone for your replys, this was not a quick desicion i made to buy these cams and put them in . I have searched this forum and others before buying and though i really was getting what i wanted. Riding at a higher rpm is just not a option( have you ever riden an 09 touring bike in 5th gear??? and listened to the whining????) That what i wanted more torque for was to stay in sixth gear more. i have no problem spending money for a dyno, if i knew the shop wasnt just going to be guessing and basically most of the shops attitudes are well we dont know your cams or your tuner and it will take many hours to maybe be able to fix my problem. I am better off taking the help from fuel moto and dynojet at this time. Both have been really helpful!!! Bottom line this cam was advertised to work in a stock engine with stock heads , with room for improvement and gains with more performance work.
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Sorry to be brutal, but you should have started with one of them, before buying anything! Your final setup is only as good as the support you have close to where you live and they are being honest telling you that. There are plenty of cams and tuners out there that will give you what you want, which your local dyno shops DO have experience with!
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Thank You everyone for your replys, this was not a quick desicion i made to buy these cams and put them in . I have searched this forum and others before buying and though i really was getting what i wanted. Riding at a higher rpm is just not a option( have you ever riden an 09 touring bike in 5th gear??? and listened to the whining????) That what i wanted more torque for was to stay in sixth gear more. i have no problem spending money for a dyno, if i knew the shop wasnt just going to be guessing and basically most of the shops attitudes are well we dont know your cams or your tuner and it will take many hours to maybe be able to fix my problem. I am better off taking the help from fuel moto and dynojet at this time. Both have been really helpful!!! Bottom line this cam was advertised to work in a stock engine with stock heads , with room for improvement and gains with more performance work.
If you have black cylinders, we can bore a set of cores we have, send yours back, once removed, to lessen any down time.
We set the ring end gap, and install them on the pistons.
Simple, straightforward swap, that'll be the power your looking for, and perhaps more.
Scott
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Technically, they do work in a stock engine and there is room for improvement with other performance work. So they deliver what they advertise. Bottom line is they aren't a cam meant for lugging the engine around. If you really did do your research like you've stated you should have already known that and you should have known that there were far better options for a bone stock engine.
You can send the heads to Bigboyz and have them cut and a street port, that should help a bit, but still not the ideal cam for lugging around.
You can send the heads to Bigboyz and have them cut and a street port, that should help a bit, but still not the ideal cam for lugging around.
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From: Out of Commiefornia!
I don't believe he is going to get enough from a BB mill and street port - likely needs new cans to get the compression up high enough (needs somewhere close to 10.5:1).
Best bet is to find someone reputable to get it right - my recommendation is Hillside, as Scott certainly did me right recently. I did the jug exchange and it worked out great.
Either go with a big bore (107" would be awesome, and same basic costs and work as 103") and maybe some headwork while they're off, or replace the cams with something more appropriate for a stock motor. Either way, the costs will probably be similar but the rewards of doing the top end would be huge. I bet it would be awesome with those cams working like they're supposed to!
Roger
Best bet is to find someone reputable to get it right - my recommendation is Hillside, as Scott certainly did me right recently. I did the jug exchange and it worked out great.
Either go with a big bore (107" would be awesome, and same basic costs and work as 103") and maybe some headwork while they're off, or replace the cams with something more appropriate for a stock motor. Either way, the costs will probably be similar but the rewards of doing the top end would be huge. I bet it would be awesome with those cams working like they're supposed to!
Roger
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From: Out of Commiefornia!
And if you can do the work yourself, you can save the labor costs... I did and it wasn't very hard at all. Cams are a bit more involved and require a couple of specialty tools, so I left that to a professional when I did mine. I'm completely comfortable with working on the top end now, and it was a great learning experience.
Roger
Roger
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From: West Central WI
Sell your cams, should have no problem as they seem to be the latest greatest thing everyone wants. I think you got caught up in the marketing yourself.
Running in the rpm range you describe like it or not is lugging, if you want to run in that area then get a set of S&S 551's or SE 255's and by all means get it tuned.
Running in the rpm range you describe like it or not is lugging, if you want to run in that area then get a set of S&S 551's or SE 255's and by all means get it tuned.
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From: NH
I think no matter what you do running around at 2k rpm is not good for your motor and I doubt you'll have the pulling .power you want down there. I believe there are fixes for that 5 the gear whine you mentioned.
On a different note, I have a nice 110" motor sitting on a shelf in my garage I've been looking to sell, motor runs strong and its got the HD 255 cam in it which is a pretty nice low end torque cam.
On a different note, I have a nice 110" motor sitting on a shelf in my garage I've been looking to sell, motor runs strong and its got the HD 255 cam in it which is a pretty nice low end torque cam.
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From: Hickory, NC
Need help determining if i made a big mistake and picked the wrong cam? my bike is a 2009 ultra classic . my mods are as follows, rinehart slip ons , screaming eagle stage one intake. Ordered my new cams and programmer from fuel moto. I went with woods 777 cams and dynojet power vision. After a few differnt maps from Jamie at fuel moto/ and with help from Pat Daniels. I finally have a map that is driveable . I have had to try and get all my help over the computer with maps because every shop in my area has no experiance with this power vision and is not very helpful. Plus the fact that they are talking many hours of dynotime at dollar figures that are way out of my budget. I feel i have the best map in the bike now and still dont have a bike that i like the feel of. My issues are 1.) hold back / surging when deceling( no throttle) goes away with a little throttle. ( not sure if this is typical with this style of cam) 2.) My major complaint is lack of power ( flat feeling) around 2000rpm . This is an area that i ride alot and just came home from a 3 hr ride through the hills of central pa and if this is a characteristic of these cams they need to come out for something differnt . These cams seem to only make power off the line and over 2700-3000 on up . They would be great if i only would want to go fast (lots of top end power and speed). bike seems to be gasping for air at 2000 and just kinda gets flat . Have any of you experianced this?? Would i be better with a set of se255 cams??? please help this is my daily transportation. at least 80% of my riding is in that 1500-2500rpm range.
I had a very similar problem with my own bike. It had a huge dip in the torque curve between 2000 and 2500 RPM. I too thought I had the wrong cams. However, after taking the bike to a professional tuner, the dip in the torque curve is gone and the bike pulls hard throughout the entire RPM range.
