Stage one system????
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This is exactly the advert where I got the info that the question was based around. Minus the phone number & dealer name. I then researched the stage 1 system & added that info to the post & posed my question.
Maybe it wasn't clear enough. I'm sorry I am not sure how to make it any clearer.
The comma in the advert behind stage 1 indicates that stage 1 & Screamin Eagle exhausts are separate & must be purchased that way. It does say the system is for EFI systems. But having turned a few wrenches myself over the years I know its entirely possible to open up the intake a bit & not change the exhaust. However they say that the exhaust has been changed to the Screamin Eagle system. Also just because this system is made for the EFI system does that mean it can't be installed on the carburated model, or the the carburated model won't benefit from it's use?
"All EFI-equipped models require ECM calibration (priced separately)"
This seems to indicate that a carburated model can have this system installed on it.
Maybe it wasn't clear enough. I'm sorry I am not sure how to make it any clearer.
The comma in the advert behind stage 1 indicates that stage 1 & Screamin Eagle exhausts are separate & must be purchased that way. It does say the system is for EFI systems. But having turned a few wrenches myself over the years I know its entirely possible to open up the intake a bit & not change the exhaust. However they say that the exhaust has been changed to the Screamin Eagle system. Also just because this system is made for the EFI system does that mean it can't be installed on the carburated model, or the the carburated model won't benefit from it's use?
"All EFI-equipped models require ECM calibration (priced separately)"
This seems to indicate that a carburated model can have this system installed on it.
Last edited by Bart Leetch; Dec 22, 2014 at 09:56 AM.
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Stage 1 can use any brand parts...that increase the intake and exhaust specs.
Screamin' Eagle pipes are commonly sold by the Stealerships...it's basically the first step upgrade from those boring Honda sounding factory cigar pipes. Used to be made by Cycle Shack back in the day....I think Vance took over making them.
It would be part of a Stage 1 kit....as when you get a Stage 1 kit an improved exhaust would be part of the deal. But this particular stealership might have a cheaper performance exhaust they use, so that Screamin' Eagle would be a more expensive option in addition to the Stage 1.
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The "No Child Left Behind Act" is currently reviled in hopes that children learn to research and develop cognitive skills instead of regurgitating a single answer for the test as fact.
I guess asking is a good thing,, but sooner or later there's a time to move forward and gain knowledge.
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You & I don't know each other John I tried to be polite in explaining what I saw in the way the text was written.
Lets just say I've rebuilt both large motors as in the motor stand the pan was just clearing the floor & standing beside the motor @ 5'9" I could not reach the top of the motor, the crank is all 2 men want to carry & some 2 men couldn't. The 4 cylinder gas powered starter motor weighs as much as a Harley. I've rebuilt regular automotive motors & worked on small gas motors. With a good manual & someone to ask a few questions I not ever found it to difficult to do what had to be done. The only fuel injection I've worked on is diesel which is a bit different than gas.
So before you know someone don't make snide comments about how they learn everyone has different learning methods.
Right now all I have is what I am able to find on the internet & asking the good folks here questions. Sometime without the benefit of face to face it's hard to articulate just what your trying to get across.
YES John I UNDERSTAND far far more than you think I do.
Lets just say I've rebuilt both large motors as in the motor stand the pan was just clearing the floor & standing beside the motor @ 5'9" I could not reach the top of the motor, the crank is all 2 men want to carry & some 2 men couldn't. The 4 cylinder gas powered starter motor weighs as much as a Harley. I've rebuilt regular automotive motors & worked on small gas motors. With a good manual & someone to ask a few questions I not ever found it to difficult to do what had to be done. The only fuel injection I've worked on is diesel which is a bit different than gas.
So before you know someone don't make snide comments about how they learn everyone has different learning methods.
Right now all I have is what I am able to find on the internet & asking the good folks here questions. Sometime without the benefit of face to face it's hard to articulate just what your trying to get across.
YES John I UNDERSTAND far far more than you think I do.
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You may indeed understand far more than we think you do Mr. Leetch but when it comes down to you putting it in writing, you leave a hella lot to be desired. Just as a an example the above answer to John is completely impossible to understand as to the meaning of what exactly you're trying to get across to those of us that can understand plain English. I read it over about 6 times and looked at it every which way I could and still ???????
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Do you think maybe having done mechanics like the above maybe I am capable of learning to work on a Harley Davidson?
By reading & asking questions.
Sorry I confused you. Sometimes words get the best of me.
Do you think maybe having done mechanics like the above maybe I am capable of learning to work on a Harley Davidson?
By reading & asking questions.
Sorry I confused you. Sometimes words get the best of me.
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You & I don't know each other John I tried to be polite in explaining what I saw in the way the text was written.
Lets just say I've rebuilt both large motors as in the motor stand the pan was just clearing the floor & standing beside the motor @ 5'9" I could not reach the top of the motor, the crank is all 2 men want to carry & some 2 men couldn't. The 4 cylinder gas powered starter motor weighs as much as a Harley. I've rebuilt regular automotive motors & worked on small gas motors. With a good manual & someone to ask a few questions I not ever found it to difficult to do what had to be done. The only fuel injection I've worked on is diesel which is a bit different than gas.
So before you know someone don't make snide comments about how they learn everyone has different learning methods.
Right now all I have is what I am able to find on the internet & asking the good folks here questions. Sometime without the benefit of face to face it's hard to articulate just what your trying to get across.
YES John I UNDERSTAND far far more than you think I do.
Lets just say I've rebuilt both large motors as in the motor stand the pan was just clearing the floor & standing beside the motor @ 5'9" I could not reach the top of the motor, the crank is all 2 men want to carry & some 2 men couldn't. The 4 cylinder gas powered starter motor weighs as much as a Harley. I've rebuilt regular automotive motors & worked on small gas motors. With a good manual & someone to ask a few questions I not ever found it to difficult to do what had to be done. The only fuel injection I've worked on is diesel which is a bit different than gas.
So before you know someone don't make snide comments about how they learn everyone has different learning methods.
Right now all I have is what I am able to find on the internet & asking the good folks here questions. Sometime without the benefit of face to face it's hard to articulate just what your trying to get across.
YES John I UNDERSTAND far far more than you think I do.
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You & I don't know each other John I tried to be polite in explaining what I saw in the way the text was written.
Lets just say I've rebuilt both large motors as in the motor stand the pan was just clearing the floor & standing beside the motor @ 5'9" I could not reach the top of the motor, the crank is all 2 men want to carry & some 2 men couldn't. The 4 cylinder gas powered starter motor weighs as much as a Harley. I've rebuilt regular automotive motors & worked on small gas motors. With a good manual & someone to ask a few questions I not ever found it to difficult to do what had to be done. The only fuel injection I've worked on is diesel which is a bit different than gas.
So before you know someone don't make snide comments about how they learn everyone has different learning methods.
Right now all I have is what I am able to find on the internet & asking the good folks here questions. Sometime without the benefit of face to face it's hard to articulate just what your trying to get across.
YES John I UNDERSTAND far far more than you think I do.
Lets just say I've rebuilt both large motors as in the motor stand the pan was just clearing the floor & standing beside the motor @ 5'9" I could not reach the top of the motor, the crank is all 2 men want to carry & some 2 men couldn't. The 4 cylinder gas powered starter motor weighs as much as a Harley. I've rebuilt regular automotive motors & worked on small gas motors. With a good manual & someone to ask a few questions I not ever found it to difficult to do what had to be done. The only fuel injection I've worked on is diesel which is a bit different than gas.
So before you know someone don't make snide comments about how they learn everyone has different learning methods.
Right now all I have is what I am able to find on the internet & asking the good folks here questions. Sometime without the benefit of face to face it's hard to articulate just what your trying to get across.
YES John I UNDERSTAND far far more than you think I do.
well with your skill, and internet personality, why are you asking any questions???
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Bart,
Maybe I can help with the reason you are not getting the responses you want.
You have referenced a 1997 bike that is for sale with a Stage 1 Kit and Screamin Eagle exhaust. That 1997 bike is equipped with a carburetor, not Electronic Fuel Injection. The verbage you grabbed and posted about Stage 1 refers to it's application on a newer EFI bike.
Dealers sell bikes that have Stage 1 all the time, but only they and the local DMV knows if they are 100% legal. If I was interested in the bike, I would ask the dealer. If I didn't want the bike, but still wanted to know, I would research the registration laws. As you can see, I am in TN. We don't have to pass smog here, so I don't know the answer to your actual question.
I am not talking down to you or trying to be an a**, so please don't take this response that way.
Edit: As mentioned earlier, Stage 1 is a very loose term that means different things to different people, depending on who they learned from. On a carb'd bike, I believe it refers to jets. Again, a call to the dealer will be the only way to get the real answer.
Maybe I can help with the reason you are not getting the responses you want.
You have referenced a 1997 bike that is for sale with a Stage 1 Kit and Screamin Eagle exhaust. That 1997 bike is equipped with a carburetor, not Electronic Fuel Injection. The verbage you grabbed and posted about Stage 1 refers to it's application on a newer EFI bike.
Dealers sell bikes that have Stage 1 all the time, but only they and the local DMV knows if they are 100% legal. If I was interested in the bike, I would ask the dealer. If I didn't want the bike, but still wanted to know, I would research the registration laws. As you can see, I am in TN. We don't have to pass smog here, so I don't know the answer to your actual question.
I am not talking down to you or trying to be an a**, so please don't take this response that way.
Edit: As mentioned earlier, Stage 1 is a very loose term that means different things to different people, depending on who they learned from. On a carb'd bike, I believe it refers to jets. Again, a call to the dealer will be the only way to get the real answer.
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Thank you very much Jimmy This is the info I've been looking for.
I think the only way I could buy a Harley Davidson is brand new this way I would know for sure what I was getting & I can't afford that. So I'll be seeing you, Bye Bye
I think the only way I could buy a Harley Davidson is brand new this way I would know for sure what I was getting & I can't afford that. So I'll be seeing you, Bye Bye