Dragon not so nice guy
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From: chico
"posted limit" - dunno about the Dragon but in cali the limit posted is the maximum "calculated" safe speed under good conditions. Buttressing the posted limit is another law, which says the speed must be reasonable - called basic speed limit. If it's dark, foggy, raining, if there's traffic, all these and more - so you can get a speeding ticket even if you're going less than the posted speed. It depends, mostly on the cop.
All people, and men especially, are dangerous. Potential "tough guys". Usually they're nice though. When they're rude I show them the door or leave, depending on the arena and what's best.
Space between "contestants" prevents violence and lets people be nice. Space is good.
Anybody wants me to fight is going to have to be able to run faster'n me! But shame on 'em if they catch me!
(is that "being tough"? - I think it's being normal, polite, and reasonable. It takes two to fight.)
All people, and men especially, are dangerous. Potential "tough guys". Usually they're nice though. When they're rude I show them the door or leave, depending on the arena and what's best.
Space between "contestants" prevents violence and lets people be nice. Space is good.
Anybody wants me to fight is going to have to be able to run faster'n me! But shame on 'em if they catch me!
(is that "being tough"? - I think it's being normal, polite, and reasonable. It takes two to fight.)
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From: Central California
The only thing that ruins it is squids on the weekends. In that regard, I'd imagine it's a lot like the Dragon. I reckon to the squids, the cruiser guys ruin it too.
But I had the good fortune to ride it a couple weeks ago totally without traffic. It was a Thursday afternoon. Lovely. Just lovely!
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Joined: Jan 2016
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From: Tucson Arizona
Mount Palomar
In northern San Diego county the road up Mt Palomar is probably the equal to the Dragon {which I have never driven}. It twists and turns back on itself climbing to nearly 6,000'. Over the years the crotch rocket commandos have made it their own, particularly on the weekends.
The insanity that ensues has to be seen to be believed. In addition to all of the folks that want to use the road for their own personal racetrack you also have dozens of bicyclists {most of whom have a serious death wish}, pumping up and racing back down. Now add in the folks that like to utilize the many campgrounds, as in every manner of RV - many towing and then there are the tourists visiting the Palomar Observatory {which is well worth your time}.
A friend worked her way up through the volunteer fire department ultimately ending up as the Captain. She has shared many a story of her number one dispatch, responding {over and over}, to motorcycle wrecks. She has had fools pass her 16 ton fire rig on the inside of hairpin turns while responding with full code 3/lights and sirens. The double yellow line is virtually meaningless.
She often would go over to a wrecked bike after the wounded warrior was medivac'd out and check the odometer... often finding it in the neighborhood of 3 to 4 thousand miles. Anyone wishing to visit Mt Palomar must run this gauntlet and you never know when rounding a curve if your lane will be clear or not.
I love a twisty as much as the next guy, the Devils Highway, Arizona 191, running north from Safford up to Alpine is my all time favorite but.... IMHO: Public roads are no one's private racetrack.
As always.... Opinions and YMMV.
The insanity that ensues has to be seen to be believed. In addition to all of the folks that want to use the road for their own personal racetrack you also have dozens of bicyclists {most of whom have a serious death wish}, pumping up and racing back down. Now add in the folks that like to utilize the many campgrounds, as in every manner of RV - many towing and then there are the tourists visiting the Palomar Observatory {which is well worth your time}.
A friend worked her way up through the volunteer fire department ultimately ending up as the Captain. She has shared many a story of her number one dispatch, responding {over and over}, to motorcycle wrecks. She has had fools pass her 16 ton fire rig on the inside of hairpin turns while responding with full code 3/lights and sirens. The double yellow line is virtually meaningless.
She often would go over to a wrecked bike after the wounded warrior was medivac'd out and check the odometer... often finding it in the neighborhood of 3 to 4 thousand miles. Anyone wishing to visit Mt Palomar must run this gauntlet and you never know when rounding a curve if your lane will be clear or not.
I love a twisty as much as the next guy, the Devils Highway, Arizona 191, running north from Safford up to Alpine is my all time favorite but.... IMHO: Public roads are no one's private racetrack.
As always.... Opinions and YMMV.
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Joined: Jul 2015
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From: Oklahoma
In northern San Diego county the road up Mt Palomar is probably the equal to the Dragon {which I have never driven}. It twists and turns back on itself climbing to nearly 6,000'. Over the years the crotch rocket commandos have made it their own, particularly on the weekends...
The insanity that ensues has to be seen to be believed.
The insanity that ensues has to be seen to be believed.
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From: along the Front Range in Colorado
...... yet, that said, is is sorta jerkish for the guy to follow ya into a pull off to give you a hard time ... just ride on
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From: Honah Lee
Should have responded with , 'Oh, sorry, forgot bikes like yours need to have a safety rider in back just in case you go into the ditch'..Then smiled and made friends. He was probably just coming off too strong for your group or maybe just an *** hole but it usually takes a couple comments to know.
Smell the roses and enjoy the ride. You pulled over at the pull off.
Smell the roses and enjoy the ride. You pulled over at the pull off.
essentially, yes. It's not an obligation, as some have already pointed out, but it's common courtesy to move right so faster traffic can pass. On a twisty, two lane road, it's likely not going to be an immediate maneuver, but as soon as it's safe, move right, and wave the faster traffic by.
It doesn't matter if you're already five over the posted limit. If you are, you're speeding also, and it's only your judgment that you're more in the "right" than the guy who wants to speed at 15 over. Why would you intentionally block faster traffic, when you have an opportunity to let them pass?
Around here, the highways are posted "Keep right, except to pass", and "Slower traffic move right". Whenever someone comes up behind me, even if I'm already speeding (which is more likely than not), I'll gladly move right to let them by. They clearly aren't going to be slowing me down, and they might draw out a traffic cop up ahead.
The biggest ******** are the guys who are parked in the left lane, won't move right, but speed up to block when you try to pass on the right. Then slow back down again when you fall in behind them. They don't want to be faster than you, they just want you to be behind them. That's the kind of behavior that precipitates road rage incidents.
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From: Windwardside, Saba N.A.
All the Road Ragers in this thread are hilarious. They won't do anything. Not one damn thing but give themselves ulcers. Just slobber spit with their childish anger issues.
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Joined: Apr 2008
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From: Western PA
Not so nice guy
I love to pull aside and let the rocket guys pass me, especially on the Dragon, more times than not they have their half dressed girlfriend on the back with her legs tucked up to her chest hunched over holding on to anything she can find. Go ahead pass me, see if I care !