General Harley Davidson Chat Forum to discuss general Harley Davidson issues, topics, and experiences.
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by:

Just laid my bike down :(

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Oct 11, 2016 | 10:43 AM
  #101  
upflying's Avatar
upflying
Seasoned HDF Member
10 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: Aug 2013
Posts: 35,774
Likes: 38,463
From: Post Falls, ID
Default

Originally Posted by JPS_Lotus98T
The MSF course I took, when dealing with rear tire lock-ups due to braking, the instructors said to ride it out without releasing the brake. They never said anything about turning into it.
Depending on the extent of the yaw caused by a locked rear wheel, a brake release might cause a high side.
If you are still parallel to the direction of travel go ahead and release the rear brake. If you are locking the rear wheel, you need practice braking. 75% of the braking is done by the front wheel.
 
Reply
Old Oct 11, 2016 | 10:43 AM
  #102  
RK4ME's Avatar
RK4ME
Seasoned HDF Member
Veteran: Army
15 Year Member
Liked
Community Favorite
Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 9,239
Likes: 3,261
From: west Michigan
Default

Originally Posted by Zerk
Can you give us a lesson on when to use then or than and their or there?
Are any Community Ed. English classes offered in your area?
 

Last edited by RK4ME; Oct 11, 2016 at 10:46 AM.
Reply
Old Oct 12, 2016 | 06:13 AM
  #103  
Goose_NC's Avatar
Goose_NC
Seasoned HDF Member
Veteran: Marine Corps
10 Year Member
Top Answer: 1
Top Answer: 3
Joined: Feb 2016
Posts: 7,987
Likes: 6,884
From: NC
Cool

Originally Posted by rob0225
Seriously? No-one is becoming a millionaire from a wreck caused by a dog that only resulted in moderate damage and injuries.
How un-American. Are you a commie?
 
Reply
Old Oct 12, 2016 | 06:20 AM
  #104  
Goose_NC's Avatar
Goose_NC
Seasoned HDF Member
Veteran: Marine Corps
10 Year Member
Top Answer: 1
Top Answer: 3
Joined: Feb 2016
Posts: 7,987
Likes: 6,884
From: NC
Default

Originally Posted by MikerR1
The first thing to do, I think, is to brake. Probably a very hard brake. That is why everyone should have anti-lock brakes on their new bikes. They really do work. Progressive Insurance Company gives a discount on their policy for anti-lock brakes. There is a reason they do that.
Until antilock brake systems on motorcycles add in lean angle to the calculations, no thanks.
 
Reply
Old Oct 12, 2016 | 06:24 AM
  #105  
Goose_NC's Avatar
Goose_NC
Seasoned HDF Member
Veteran: Marine Corps
10 Year Member
Top Answer: 1
Top Answer: 3
Joined: Feb 2016
Posts: 7,987
Likes: 6,884
From: NC
Default

Originally Posted by Gunnysgt
Bottom line guys is that this crap happens suddenly, you usually have just seconds to make a decision. sometimes it's a good one, other times it's not. You simply hope for the best.
Practice will make reactions automatic.
 
Reply
Old Oct 12, 2016 | 06:25 AM
  #106  
Goose_NC's Avatar
Goose_NC
Seasoned HDF Member
Veteran: Marine Corps
10 Year Member
Top Answer: 1
Top Answer: 3
Joined: Feb 2016
Posts: 7,987
Likes: 6,884
From: NC
Default

Originally Posted by Zerk
Can you give us a lesson on when to use then or than and their or there?
http://www.frederick.edu/student-res...usedwords.aspx
 
Reply
Old Oct 12, 2016 | 07:03 AM
  #107  
Zerk's Avatar
Zerk
Banned
Joined: Jul 2009
Posts: 7,406
Likes: 833
From: Straight Jacket Memories and Sedative Highs
Default

Originally Posted by Goose_NC
Practice will make reactions automatic.
And even then the ABS will be quicker. Not to mention when you are cold, after work, or first ride of the year.

What concerns me about ABS, is Harley is making it, and have to bring it in to the dealer.

Are you guys afraid of calculators too? That being said I don't have it, but I suspect when my next bike comes it will.
 
Reply
Old Oct 12, 2016 | 07:26 AM
  #108  
Ron750's Avatar
Ron750
Seasoned HDF Member
15 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: Jan 2011
Posts: 28,842
Likes: 16,580
From: Wisconsin, USA
Default

Originally Posted by From_Behind
Why would you ever swerve to avoid an animal?
As a general rule I won't swerve. But depending on the speed of my vehicle, and it's capabilities, I might. I remember one time I swerved, after braking, because I didn't want to miss my flight.

Originally Posted by 0maha
Yes. That means that the time to deal with it is before it happens through superior alertness and situational awareness. In general, if something happens and surprises you, you weren't paying sufficient attention and/or going too fast for the prevailing conditions.



While the MSF, by and large, does great work, one thing they teach that I think is disastrous is the whole "if you lock up the rear brake, don't release it, just turn into the skid" stuff.

A locked rear wheel is not a problem if you recognize what has happened and get off the brake before the bike turns itself sideways. Every rider should train on locking up their rear wheel to know what it sounds and feels like, and to train their muscle memory so they automatically respond correctly.

But I always go back to where I started: The time to deal effectively with a panic stop situation is before you put yourself into one.
I totally agree with you. I took the Skilled Riders Course, and they tell you the liability thing instead of the truth. I learned the right way practicing, and it is confirmed by MotorLessons@Hotmail.com. I highly recommend getting that PDF.

Originally Posted by upflying
Depending on the extent of the yaw caused by a locked rear wheel, a brake release might cause a high side.
If you are still parallel to the direction of travel go ahead and release the rear brake. If you are locking the rear wheel, you need practice braking. 75% of the braking is done by the front wheel.
​​​I have read it's OK to release and reapply up to 30° away from parallel. Would you agree?
 
Reply
HD Forum Stories

The Best of Harley-Davidson for Lifelong Riders

story-0

7 Surprising Harley-Davidson Products that Are Not Motorcycles

 Verdad Gallardo
story-1

8 Best Harley-Davidson Motorcycles Ever

 Pouria Savadkouei
story-2

10 Worst Harley-Davidson Motorcycles Ever

 Pouria Savadkouei
story-3

Killer Custom's Jail Break Is The Breakout That Refused to Blend In

 Verdad Gallardo
story-4

Crazy Bunderbike Build Looks Amazing, But Is It Impossible to Ride?

 Verdad Gallardo
story-5

Harley-Davidson Reveals Super Cool Cafe Racer Concept

 Verdad Gallardo
story-6

Engraved Rebellion: Inside Bundnerbike's Glam Rock II

 Verdad Gallardo
story-7

10 Motorcycles You Should Never Buy

 Joe Kucinski
story-8

10 Things Harley-Davidson Needs to Fix in 2026

 Verdad Gallardo
story-9

Southpaw Super Glide: A Left-Hand-Drive 1979 Harley FXE Built to Fit the Rider

 Verdad Gallardo
Old Oct 12, 2016 | 07:52 AM
  #109  
HAOLE's Avatar
HAOLE
Seasoned HDF Member
Veteran: Army
Photogenic
Liked
Top Answer: 1
Joined: Apr 2013
Posts: 12,299
Likes: 2,181
From: ARMY GYPSY IN HOUSTON
Default

Hope you're healing well ... Went thru Basic/AIT at McClellan and Wife's from Jacksonville. Purty riding out that way


Good Vibes sent for a fast recovery


Haole
 
Reply
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
texaszman
Softail Models
14
Nov 24, 2014 08:53 PM
wix
Touring Models
15
Sep 8, 2011 08:47 PM
MetrixRealm
Softail Models
11
Apr 23, 2011 03:08 PM
cchips
General Harley Davidson Chat
26
Apr 9, 2011 04:09 PM
dhutchison
General Harley Davidson Chat
11
Jul 14, 2006 03:34 PM




All times are GMT -5. The time now is 11:25 PM.

story-0
7 Surprising Harley-Davidson Products that Are Not Motorcycles

Slideshow: The bar-and-shield logo shows up on far more than motorcycles, some of the company's most unexpected products have nothing to do with riding.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-04-29 16:50:35


VIEW MORE
story-1
8 Best Harley-Davidson Motorcycles Ever

Slideshow: Not every Harley gets it right, but these are the ones that genuinely earned their reputation.

By Pouria Savadkouei | 2026-04-15 14:23:21


VIEW MORE
story-2
10 Worst Harley-Davidson Motorcycles Ever

Slideshow: From the troubled AMF years to modern misfires, these bikes earned reputations for reliability issues, questionable engineering, or disappointing performance.

By Pouria Savadkouei | 2026-04-01 20:01:09


VIEW MORE
story-3
Killer Custom's Jail Break Is The Breakout That Refused to Blend In

Slideshow: Killer Custom's "Jail Breaker" build focuses more on stance and visual aggression than mechanical overhaul.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-03-18 19:20:32


VIEW MORE
story-4
Crazy Bunderbike Build Looks Amazing, But Is It Impossible to Ride?

Slideshow: The Swiss custom shop has taken a Harley Softail and stretched it into something so long and low that it looks closer to a rolling sculpture than a conventional motorcycle.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-03-07 16:15:30


VIEW MORE
story-5
Harley-Davidson Reveals Super Cool Cafe Racer Concept

Slideshow: Harley-Davidson's new RMCR concept revives the café racer formula with modern hardware-and it may be exactly the reset the company needs.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-03-04 12:23:37


VIEW MORE
story-6
Engraved Rebellion: Inside Bundnerbike's Glam Rock II

Slideshow: A standard cruiser becomes an intricate metal canvas in the hands of a Swiss custom house known for pushing Harley-Davidson platforms far beyond their factory brief.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-02-24 18:19:44


VIEW MORE
story-7
10 Motorcycles You Should Never Buy

Slideshow: There is no shortage of great motorcycles to buy, but we would avoid these ten.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-02-19 14:50:51


VIEW MORE
story-8
10 Things Harley-Davidson Needs to Fix in 2026

Slideshow: Harley-Davidson's challenges aren't abstract; they show up in dropping shipments, shrinking dealer traffic, and strategic decisions that aren't yet translating into growth.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-01-13 18:33:17


VIEW MORE
story-9
Southpaw Super Glide: A Left-Hand-Drive 1979 Harley FXE Built to Fit the Rider

Slideshow: Graeme Billington's left-hand-drive Shovelhead is as much about problem-solving as it is about classic Harley form.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2025-12-30 11:27:08


VIEW MORE