Reflex Defensive Rider Systems
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From: South Dakota
When I bought my 2020 Harley I had a hard time deciding about getting the RDRS. At the end I decided not to. The hardest decision was bat wing or shark nose. I went with a bat wing. The whole iPhone subscription deal was just too much. I’ll have to see how this system works out after more time. Look how long it takes the MoCo to work out the bugs when it introduces new motors.
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From: anacoco, la
Friend of mine just got hit by a Nissan with that anti braking, lane control garbage. In Calif. Lane splitting is not only necessary, its a way of life, we all do it. On the fwy in traffic he was spitting lanes, the driver of the Nissan was very courteous and pulled to the left shoulder to let the bike ride through safely and the car jumped back into the lane on it's own causing the front bumper to hit and lock onto the rear bag of his RG. Took him down to the ground where he got his right leg ran over by a F150 truck and his left arm was shattered in 6 places.
They can keep this BS and stick it where the sun don't shine. I'll never own an HD, truck or car that controls itself thinking it knows better than I do when driving.
They can keep this BS and stick it where the sun don't shine. I'll never own an HD, truck or car that controls itself thinking it knows better than I do when driving.
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From: Virginia
Friend of mine just got hit by a Nissan with that anti braking, lane control garbage. In Calif. Lane splitting is not only necessary, its a way of life, we all do it. On the fwy in traffic he was spitting lanes, the driver of the Nissan was very courteous and pulled to the left shoulder to let the bike ride through safely and the car jumped back into the lane on it's own causing the front bumper to hit and lock onto the rear bag of his RG. Took him down to the ground where he got his right leg ran over by a F150 truck and his left arm was shattered in 6 places.
They can keep this BS and stick it where the sun don't shine. I'll never own an HD, truck or car that controls itself thinking it knows better than I do when driving.
They can keep this BS and stick it where the sun don't shine. I'll never own an HD, truck or car that controls itself thinking it knows better than I do when driving.
I lost a good friend of mine about 15 years ago. He was driving down a 2 lane road just a couple miles from his house. Teenage Kid coming home from football practice n a big Cadillac was coming the other direction. Crossed the double yellow line as he crested a hill and hit my friend head on. It took three hours to cut my friend out of the car and have a helicopter fly him to a trauma center. (There were also thunderstorms at the nearest trauma center so they went further away.) He died a few hours later.
Had the kid been driving a modern Cadillac with lane keeping assist we never would have known that it saved a life by keeping him in his lane. Hell the kid may have dozed off and if that was the case not even he would know the technology saved a life.
The technology is not perfect but it does save lives.
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From: In my head
We're splitting lanes with inches to spare, not feet. This is Calif where they put as many lanes in as little area as possible. No way you get by two semi's next to each other on hwy 50. Never happen... I split lanes and can reach over and let my hand ride on the semi's trailer, yes, it's that close.
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There are 2 types of "lane assist" technologies .
Most cars have passive lane assist which will sound and alarm or vibrate the steering wheel when the car drifts out of its lane .
Some have active lane assist that will actually attempt to return the car back to the center of the lane.
Before anyone starts calling out someone else's experience , they should make sure they know what they're talking about.
Most cars have passive lane assist which will sound and alarm or vibrate the steering wheel when the car drifts out of its lane .
Some have active lane assist that will actually attempt to return the car back to the center of the lane.
Before anyone starts calling out someone else's experience , they should make sure they know what they're talking about.
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From: anacoco, la
i do know what I am talking about. my truck has the active assist. I can let go of the steering wheel and drive down the road and it will attempt to keep the vehicle between the lines. it will still not override human input.
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From: Virginia
There are 2 types of "lane assist" technologies .
Most cars have passive lane assist which will sound and alarm or vibrate the steering wheel when the car drifts out of its lane .
Some have active lane assist that will actually attempt to return the car back to the center of the lane.
Before anyone starts calling out someone else's experience , they should make sure they know what they're talking about.
Most cars have passive lane assist which will sound and alarm or vibrate the steering wheel when the car drifts out of its lane .
Some have active lane assist that will actually attempt to return the car back to the center of the lane.
Before anyone starts calling out someone else's experience , they should make sure they know what they're talking about.
It wouldn't surprise me that different manufactures implement the level of driver assist differently.
Oldskewl is talking about a Nissan car., I have no experience with the Nissan implementation of lane keeping assist, it may be more firm with the driver than the Hyundai I have experience with.
I have no doubt that the Lane Keeping Assist was at least partially at fault in the injuries to his friend. LKA tried to keep the car in the lane, it doesn't expect or check for a motorcycle next to the car in the same lane.
I also have no doubt that LKA could have saved my friends life if the other drivers car had it.
Technolgy can be great, but at some point it becomes too much and we are no longer riding a motorcycle we are just a passenger on an amusement park ride.
Last edited by VAFish; Jan 17, 2020 at 04:06 PM.
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From: anacoco, la
my truck is a 2016 gmc sierra 1500. and yes, I can turn it off. but I don't. it's pretty seamless. like abs, it only comes on if I make a mistake. or change lanes without using a signal (I know, shouldn't do that, but sometimes if there is no one around for miles, I forgo signaling), in that case, I get a slight nudge from the steering wheel and the seat vibrates on the side that I am crossing.
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From: Ft. Wayne IN
Lots of talk here about similar tech on a car or truck. Less so about the HD RDRS system on HD motorcycles. Apples and oranges, if you ask me.
Lot's of cagers could probably benefit from it since many don't know how to drive worth a crap.
I read up on the RDRS system from HD. Not for me. Very expensive. Little benefit for me.
To each his own.
Lot's of cagers could probably benefit from it since many don't know how to drive worth a crap.
I read up on the RDRS system from HD. Not for me. Very expensive. Little benefit for me.
To each his own.