Reflex Defensive Rider Systems
Cruiser
Joined: Aug 2019
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From: MN
I happen to get caught in the rain quite often. I don't really enjoy gravel roads particularly, but i don't avoid them because of how my bike handles either.
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From: PA
Tech can really complicate things and make repairs super expensive. I was helping a friend recently with a car which has an immobilizer system. (Which probably stopped no one from stealing a car if they wanted to...) It was looking like the computer for the immobilizer was bad, and the only way to repair it was to spend about $2,300 on new parts, because you can't just replace it, you need to replace the ECM and some other stuff too. This is the kind of thing that makes me run from fancy new tech on vehicles. If it won't render my bike unrideable when it fails, and you can make it relatively affordable to repair, then I'm ok with it. I'm all for safety if it's not interfering with my riding experience. But this combo doesn't seem to be possible most of the time.
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From: Sandy Eggo's North County
Originally Posted by QNman
My opinion - and this will certainly be controversial - is that to get the millennials, Harley should design an 800cc standard, something innovative like a hybrid engine, and AN AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION. Make it as inexpensive as possible ($6,000?). Find a way to get 70 mpg.
Even though the old timers, even including myself, will all agree this would be a sacrilege, I think it would sell like hotcakes on a Sunday morning.
Even though the old timers, even including myself, will all agree this would be a sacrilege, I think it would sell like hotcakes on a Sunday morning.
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From: Virginia
I looked briefly at the H-D feature set description but I didn't see wheelie control explicitly mentioned. I realize the "regular" H-D's are not wheelie prone (an understatement) but I would suspect that the H-D electric bike might wheelie. So, does anyone know about wheelie control being in the feature set? I should be a freebie given that the required wheel speed sensors are already in place for the other features.
so, because other mfg's have been using this tech for years, hd should just not add it at all?
you do realize that most of these rdrs systems are transparent to the rider? unless (when) you make a mistake, they will not kick in. so if you want to 'control' your bike, have at it. then when you mess up, the tech will be there to help you.
you do realize that most of these rdrs systems are transparent to the rider? unless (when) you make a mistake, they will not kick in. so if you want to 'control' your bike, have at it. then when you mess up, the tech will be there to help you.
Millenials don't care about motorcycles. Or cars/trucks for that matter. These are only annoyances necessary for transport. If they were "riderless/driverless" so much the better. Hell, most of them don't want a DL, nor have ever driven anything. Truly, a sad state of affairs.
Tourer
Joined: Mar 2014
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From: Phoenix, AZ
Might think different when you hit a patch of morning black ice on going to the sun road in July.
Not glacier but a pretty good idea of what its like in June....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mD3MuL99r9U
Not glacier but a pretty good idea of what its like in June....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mD3MuL99r9U
I'm not sure RDRS could help on ice, but I sure do think it would be great in monsoon season out here.
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From: SE Michigan
Yes like disc brakes shock absorbers, clutches, etc. Really we all should just be riding flatheads with no brakes a 3 speed trannies, that's just unnecessary **** that can break.
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From: Spartan Country, Michigan
Man... I missed this when it first came out.... just read through almost 100 posts of pretty much all bitching. I agree with some about adding massive amounts of technology that could possibly add to costs for purchase or repair. I agree with those who say we need to learn, understand, and master our riding abilities. Personally I do not like the ABS on my bike.... I have hit too many little bumps in the road coming to a stop and have that trigger the ABS. I have ridden enough, spent years riding dirt bikes and racing dirt bikes, and have learned how to modulate brake controls. Plus this bit now with the brake fluid in the ABS systems, these things have added to costs of what, to me, should be a simple motorized riding system. I fear the new technology will prove to be troublesome once it hits the market and that will create problems. I would like to be wrong, but..... bearings, compensators, brake fluids....I just wonder.
Not dissing this whole new system, only that if I had my druthers, I would druther not have it. I am just leery of new and improved when it comes to electronic controls. Can only hope this new system does, and performs, as well as moco hopes. My $0.02
Not dissing this whole new system, only that if I had my druthers, I would druther not have it. I am just leery of new and improved when it comes to electronic controls. Can only hope this new system does, and performs, as well as moco hopes. My $0.02
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From: Marion NC / Lake Norman NC / Panama City Fla
Its funny because you can search the forums and find literally tens of thousands of comments about how antiquated Harley is. But when Harley come out with ABS, wet heads and RDRS etc there are literally tens of thousands of comments here about how that adds to cost and maintenance and other issues. Theres no pleasing this crowd. Personally I like the way Harley is trying to blend the old school with new technologies. I bought an 18 road glide but sometimes I wish I wouldve waited to get the bigger motor and the Boom GTS thats on the 2020. Ill probably be ready for a new bike in about 5 years so Im sure there will be some really cool options that Harley will offer.
