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Old Oct 8, 2019 | 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Tom84FXST
Been in maintenance all my life...I never install a sealed bearing without popping the seal, and checking how much grease they have...

You will be surprised how little grease some of these bearings have...
A lot of engineers say all that is needed is a thin film of grease, and many manufacturers are just putting a string of grease about 1/16th inch diameter on one side of the bearing at assembly. That doesn't always supply enough grease to "feed" the ***** as grease is slung off. Install it as a wheel bearing and the ***** are running dry until you get enough rpm to sling the grease off, when much of that little bit of grease gets caught in the cage and on the sides. If OEM Harley bearings are like this, easy to see why some would fail early even if the bearing itself was the best made. At the rpm these bearings are turning when used as a wheel bearing, a fair amount of grease isn't going to cause enough resistance to get a heat buildup; a quick search showed a 13,000 rpm max rating for a 6205 bearing with grease, and I doubt anyone is hitting 2000 rpm when used as a wheel bearing. I don't pack ball bearings completely full, leave enough space for the grease to push out as the ***** make a tunnel through it.

I've seen that video before. The guy pops the wrong side off, the outside of the seal sits in a groove in the outer race and you have to dig into that, risking nicking or tearing the seal. Slide a small thin flat screwdriver under the inside, where it just rides against the inner race, and it's a lot easier. I've done hundreds of bearings this way and never damaged one. Rubber/plastic seals of course, metal shielded, you'll wreck it every time.
 
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Old Oct 8, 2019 | 08:41 PM
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Just did the front bearings on my 14 RK last week. Only lasted 6600 miles. I had a clunk in the front that I could not pinpoint. It was the right side bearing. ABS bearing was fine. All ***** bearings, added a quality grease to them. VT102 bearing puller/installer. Good to go now.
Well see how long these last.
 
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Old Oct 8, 2019 | 10:51 PM
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I lost a rear at 23k miles, 150 mi from home, replaced with a timken brand, says made in USA. seems like a small bearing for such a heavy bike. was not a lot of grease so packed them with wheel bearing grease. sprocket side was toast, brake side not bad but also am running my belt a bit on the loose side now.
 
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Old Oct 9, 2019 | 09:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Imold
I've seen that video before. The guy pops the wrong side off, the outside of the seal sits in a groove in the outer race and you have to dig into that, risking nicking or tearing the seal. Slide a small thin flat screwdriver under the inside, where it just rides against the inner race, and it's a lot easier. I've done hundreds of bearings this way and never damaged one. Rubber/plastic seals of course, metal shielded, you'll wreck it every time.
Good tip! Do you also check/re-pack the ABS (Anti-lock Braking System) bearings?
 
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Old Oct 9, 2019 | 09:25 AM
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Well, there’s certainly enough horror stories here to make wish I’d never bought this bike.
 
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Old Oct 9, 2019 | 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by LQQK_OUT
Good tip! Do you also check/re-pack the ABS (Anti-lock Braking System) bearings?
I haven't had one with ABS, but if those have plastic seals that can easily be removed and installed, I would. I don't know if the Harley bearings have metal shields, if they do I'd try to find out if AllBalls are plastic, and if so, use those. I've used a few AllBalls on Harleys and Hondas, and they appeared well made and well packed with Chevron synthetic grease. From the number of forum inquiries about alternatives to Harley ABS bearings, sounds like they go out occasionally, too.

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Well, there’s certainly enough horror stories here to make wish I’d never bought this bike.
None of them are perfect, I've read that Goldwings have had wheel bearing failures, too. I do all my own work, so without labor costs, and having the tools for it, it's not a big deal for me to replace wheel bearings; if I did buy a new Harley for the first time, I'd pull the wheels and check the bearings just like I've done on my used bikes - and so far all of those with ball bearings, Harleys, Hondas and a Yamaha, needed new bearings, but I think they were all do to being pressure washed and getting grit in the bearings. Do the proper maintenance, at least check the wheel bearings every tire change (I'd do that on any bike) and most Harleys last a long time without problems; we're hearing about a very small percentage of them on the forum.
 
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Old Oct 9, 2019 | 11:35 AM
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Bearing sizes are pretty much standard. I've gone to Motion Industries and have bought SKF or NSK bearings to replace cheap Chinese bearings that failed on a Polaris ATV.

I checked mine back in February when I mounted up new tires and they were fine then. maybe I'll check them again before cold weather arrives...
 
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Old Oct 13, 2019 | 01:50 PM
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Another vote for replacing them all with tire changes.

Had a rear one go out on my 2017 dyna. Was on the freeway at the time, felt like I was riding in a bad rut. Got off the freeway, kept hearing a loud tink every now and then. Turned out I was shooting ball bearings into my license plate (on side). Thankfully I was only a dozen miles from a dealer and still under warranty. It destroyed the wheel hub and brake rotor. Would have been a $1000 problem.

Only sign I can think of was I heard a loud chirp every now and again. I thought it was the alarm on my bike since it sounded like that shortening out.


Still the best thing I ever bought.
 
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Old Oct 13, 2019 | 02:39 PM
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After my most recent experience, I will be paying more attention to this part in the future. Never had to replace wheel bearings on any of my dozen or so bikes over 40 years of riding until now.
 
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Old Oct 13, 2019 | 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by CaptainAwesome
Another vote for replacing them all with tire changes.

Had a rear one go out on my 2017 dyna. Was on the freeway at the time, felt like I was riding in a bad rut. Got off the freeway, kept hearing a loud tink every now and then. Turned out I was shooting ball bearings into my license plate (on side). Thankfully I was only a dozen miles from a dealer and still under warranty. It destroyed the wheel hub and brake rotor. Would have been a $1000 problem.

Only sign I can think of was I heard a loud chirp every now and again. I thought it was the alarm on my bike since it sounded like that shortening out.


Still the best thing I ever bought.
Rode with Timken bearings on my Harleys for 30 years and 275,000 miles without a catastrophic failure. The one set that did fail was in a “NOS” front hub I bought on EBay. That set gave me plenty of warning. They also may have been damaged before I built that hub into a wheel and ran it.

A failure like you describe is potentially life threatening and unacceptable IMO. Motorcycling is already dangerous enough without the manufacturer sabotaging us with cheap, under designed parts.
 
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