H-D, Tuners & Warranty
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Many large corporations are just too big to sue. Of course, there are class action lawsuits, but a majority of those, even if the consumers prevail, don't necessarily end in the consumer's favor.
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What you're saying about the EPA requiring H-D to void the powertrain warranty if they detect that a non-approved tuner has been used, is not exactly the case. The non-approved tune has to have caused "functional defects" to the powertrain in order for the warranty to be denied.
14. Denial of Warranty.
a. Defendants shall deny all warranty claims for functional defects of powertrain components for any Harley-Davidson vehicle (Model Year 2017 or later) registered in the United States, if any Defendants have any information to show that such vehicle was tuned using a Tuning Product that was not covered by a California ARB Executive Order or otherwise 7 Case 1:16-cv-01687-EGS Document 6-1 Filed 07/20/17 Page 9 of 33 approved by EPA.
b. Defendants shall instruct Harley-Davidson dealers to deny such warranty claims where any Defendant or any Harley-Davidson dealer has any such information.
a. Defendants shall deny all warranty claims for functional defects of powertrain components for any Harley-Davidson vehicle (Model Year 2017 or later) registered in the United States, if any Defendants have any information to show that such vehicle was tuned using a Tuning Product that was not covered by a California ARB Executive Order or otherwise 7 Case 1:16-cv-01687-EGS Document 6-1 Filed 07/20/17 Page 9 of 33 approved by EPA.
b. Defendants shall instruct Harley-Davidson dealers to deny such warranty claims where any Defendant or any Harley-Davidson dealer has any such information.
In summation, I don't see where they have to prove that the tuner caused any damage to anything, only that they know that a tuner was used.
So here's the thing that gets me ... what if an aftermarket tuner was used to flash the EXACT SAME EPA-COMPLIANT TUNE back onto the bike? Would that still count and require warranty denial? By my reading of this, the answer would be "yes", which just sounds insane.
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Op, in 2017 this topic was beat to death with confusion. There are some interesting threads with some articulate answers from back then. I found the topic interesting since i had an an early build 17 Limited.
I am curious myseld about the 4 year old bike part of it.
I am curious myseld about the 4 year old bike part of it.
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What you're saying about the EPA requiring H-D to void the powertrain warranty if they detect that a non-approved tuner has been used, is not exactly the case. The non-approved tune has to have caused "functional defects" to the powertrain in order for the warranty to be denied. I quoted that section of the Consent Decree in my other post.
go to any gm, ford, dodge, etc. dealer and ask them about using an aftermarket tuner in your new car/truck and how it will impact the warranty. they'll tell you the same thing. void.
It boils to to this simple fact: the EPA is an organization that is going after bog companies to line their pockets.
I have seen diesel trucks that have the emissions systems removed and run cleaner with less harmful output and the company that did the work gets hammered. It's not about clean air or compliance, it's about money. Plain and simple.
As crazy as it sounds, HD is in as much of a bind as we are as consumers.
I have seen diesel trucks that have the emissions systems removed and run cleaner with less harmful output and the company that did the work gets hammered. It's not about clean air or compliance, it's about money. Plain and simple.
As crazy as it sounds, HD is in as much of a bind as we are as consumers.
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I just waited for the 2 year warranty to expire, like many others, before doing a new exhaust and tuner. Trying to fight these EPA rulings is like banging your head against the wall. As Walter Cronkite used to say, "And that's the way it is."
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This has been the status quo for cars and trucks for some time now. What Harley is doing is nothing new. Does it suck? Yes. Is there anything you can do about it? Probably not. Their position on this is pretty cut and dry. If you tried to fight it you would have more in legal fees than the bike was worth and still wouldn't have a chance at winning.