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Old Mar 31, 2021 | 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by ahhlou
batteries and tires, the bane of a biker's existence...
....and oil. There's always oil.......
 
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Old Sep 23, 2024 | 10:12 AM
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The scary thing about lithium is that they can fail spectacularly even when the vehicle isn’t operating.

 
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Old Sep 23, 2024 | 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by 02fx4dude
I thought these lithium motorcycle and automotive batteries had charge control and cell balancing electronics in the battery, Guess not.

As mentioned, be glad meltdown is all that happened.
Some, not all, have a battery management system installed. The cheaper ones many folks buy do not have that feature.
 
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Old Sep 23, 2024 | 10:36 AM
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Originally Posted by TriGeezer
The scary thing about lithium is that they can fail spectacularly even when the vehicle isn’t operating.
I have also seen lead acid batteries explode from over charging. I have also known of a battery that shorted internally after a ride and it started smoking. We saw it and were able to get the battery out before it exploded and caught fire. But that was 30+ years ago.
 
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Old Sep 24, 2024 | 08:09 AM
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How safe is the "UTRAI" jump starter pack I've started to carry?
 
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Originally Posted by Dan89FLSTC
How is it that the motorcycle charging system is ok for all types of batteries, but you need a special charger for AGM, and a special charger for Lithium?
Because vehicle charging systems are simply feeding a typical 14.2~14.5volts into the battery to charge it directly.
It is effectively a non specific charging system that just provides voltage to the battery to charge it back up.
The reason why charrgers specifically cause an issue is because they are programmed to charge in different phases based on what the charger is detecting. For example SLA/LeadAcid chargers go through a desulfation process when they charge, this phase is what can kill or damage a lithium cell.

Also some Lithium batteries are made of Lithium Iron Phosphate (4) chemistry (LiFePO4) instead of a "Li-Ion" like Nickle Manganese Cobalt chemistry. LiFePO4 is a chemistry that can almost directly replicate the characteristics of an SLA battery in charging, but without the desulfation charge.
This means any SLA standard charger that does not desulfate should charge a LiFe cell with no problem.
Because vehicles supply essentially an essentially adhoc constant stream of voltage/amps, it rarely causes a problem with LiFePO4 cell charging.
 
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Old Sep 26, 2024 | 09:59 AM
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And now Harley does not want you using anything but lead acid or AGM batteries in the "New" touring bikes.
 
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Old Sep 27, 2024 | 06:15 PM
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Originally Posted by jake24lt
And now Harley does not want you using anything but lead acid or AGM batteries in the "New" touring bikes.
Source? That's something I'd like to read about and their reasoning.
 
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Originally Posted by jake24lt
And now Harley does not want you using anything but lead acid or AGM batteries in the "New" touring bikes.
Harley sells lithium batteries.

https://www.harley-davidson.com/us/e...ries-faqs.html
 
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Old Sep 29, 2024 | 08:59 PM
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yes, they do. but they did put out a bulletin not recommending the lithium for the 23.5 cvo and 24+ models. has something to do with the electronics and how particular they are.




 

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