Bad MSF ??? Is This Right ???
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I took the Riders Edge course and I have friends who took the MSF course. Never heard of anyone having to push the bike. I would certainly question the people responsible for this course and have them explain this requirement. If they took your money without informing you of any physical restrictions like this then they ought to be willing to refund some of it. Then I would look for a course at a different location.
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I agree total bs. but i also agree they are training folks to ride hondas. gotta strengthen the legs. cause they may be doin alot of walkin. lol. either way bum deal. contact msf.
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As an MSF Rider Coach (We can't be called Instructors), here's the deal. The MSF insurance only covers the student to ride on the range, in class, doing exercises as specified in the curriculum. And, sad to say, riding bikes from one location to another is not part of the training curriculum, hence it IS NOT COVERED. So the bikes must be pushed and not ridden. I can tell you what's will probably happen on your second day. After you finish the class, you will have to push the bikes back over to storage area, as the riding portion and curriculum is finished, and everything else after that is NOT COVERED.
I know it sounds like a load of BS, but that's the way it is, and if any MSF "Quality Control" people see students riding range bikes outside of the curriculum, that MSF site will get a bad write up and a nasty note from Mr. Rob Gladdin the head of MSF, and Mr. David Couch the head of Quality Control.
That is why I rarely teach MSF anymore, and mostly teach Ride Like A Pro.
I know it sounds like a load of BS, but that's the way it is, and if any MSF "Quality Control" people see students riding range bikes outside of the curriculum, that MSF site will get a bad write up and a nasty note from Mr. Rob Gladdin the head of MSF, and Mr. David Couch the head of Quality Control.
That is why I rarely teach MSF anymore, and mostly teach Ride Like A Pro.
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Never heard of it. In fact I had a broken kickstand and didn't know it so when I parked I didn't get it set just right and it fell over. The instuctor lifted for me checked the kick stand and discussed with me how to set it.
The should have made it a point to tell you that you had to push a 300 lb motorcycle up hill as part of the course. If they didn't I'd be having a major fit.
The should have made it a point to tell you that you had to push a 300 lb motorcycle up hill as part of the course. If they didn't I'd be having a major fit.
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That is the most asinine thing I have ever heard of for a motorcycle endorsment. How in the hell is 'pushing' a motorcycle relevant to 'riding' a motorcycle on the highway?? Somebody who is not a rider thought this crap up, obviously, cause it just makes no sense at all. This has to be one of the stupidest rules I have ever seen (and I have seen lots 
) and it makes NO sense. I'd complain to somebody.
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I took the MSF course last month. They made us push the bikes in two circles but it wasn't very far.
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RE: Bad MSF ??? Is This Right ???
Maybe the bikes should be positioned by the msf instructor at the required start area, i am sure they are insured to do this. why place a bike in the "storage area" then have the students push them to the start area. this is freaking retarded. When the class is over, the student parks the bike in the "ending area" then the msf instructor moves the bike to the trailer or storage area. I think your msf instructor is covering his *** with his head. have him pull it out and do the right thing.
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well that explains that,then it is ashame that nobody helped a brother out that was trying to push his bike but couldn't ,come on up to North Alabama and take the course, I will push it for you as long as you go riding after.
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As an MSF Rider Coach (We can't be called Instructors), here's the deal. The MSF insurance only covers the student to ride on the range, in class, doing exercises as specified in the curriculum. And, sad to say, riding bikes from one location to another is not part of the training curriculum, hence it IS NOT COVERED. So the bikes must be pushed and not ridden. I can tell you what's will probably happen on your second day. After you finish the class, you will have to push the bikes back over to storage area, as the riding portion and curriculum is finished, and everything else after that is NOT COVERED.
I know it sounds like a load of BS, but that's the way it is, and if any MSF "Quality Control" people see students riding range bikes outside of the curriculum, that MSF site will get a bad write up and a nasty note from Mr. Rob Gladdin the head of MSF, and Mr. David Couch the head of Quality Control.
That is why I rarely teach MSF anymore, and mostly teach Ride Like A Pro.
As an MSF Rider Coach (We can't be called Instructors), here's the deal. The MSF insurance only covers the student to ride on the range, in class, doing exercises as specified in the curriculum. And, sad to say, riding bikes from one location to another is not part of the training curriculum, hence it IS NOT COVERED. So the bikes must be pushed and not ridden. I can tell you what's will probably happen on your second day. After you finish the class, you will have to push the bikes back over to storage area, as the riding portion and curriculum is finished, and everything else after that is NOT COVERED.
I know it sounds like a load of BS, but that's the way it is, and if any MSF "Quality Control" people see students riding range bikes outside of the curriculum, that MSF site will get a bad write up and a nasty note from Mr. Rob Gladdin the head of MSF, and Mr. David Couch the head of Quality Control.
That is why I rarely teach MSF anymore, and mostly teach Ride Like A Pro.