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Old Jan 19, 2025 | 07:47 PM
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There is no mention of a sales contract in the OP, just a verbal agreement. I would have to see any deal involving a trade-in on paper before I considered it a done deal.
With that said, I'm done with a few of my local dealerships, one truck and two motorcycle, because of their service departments.
 
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Old Jan 19, 2025 | 08:40 PM
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I always get it in writing first, then shake on the deal. That stops all the BS.
 
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Old Jan 19, 2025 | 09:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Bluraven
I’m guessing the boss saw the deal and said there’s no way he’s agreeing to doing all that work without a more in-hand financial commitment from the buyer.
I do also understand however that a deal is a deal.

I’d wouldn’t fault Harley as a whole for what one of their Dealers did.
I just wouldn’t patronize that Dealer any further.
I don't fault Harley corporate. I fault this dealership. They messed up on the last deal on numerous issues which is why they (manager involved) was willing to make the deal with the new bike on a handshake. We're not talking $10K on the parts and labor on the new bike ($2K if that) and the value of the trade in (they saw the bike) was only valid if the bike came back in the same condition.

While I realize this isn't normal practice it was a concession based on the issues experienced with the last bike, one being work that should have taken a week took months and only resolved because I searched aftermarket to find parts they ultimately couldn't get. Items were paid for by me with delivery that was supposed to be a week, then a month then two months...maybe.

So the agreement to do the add ons and wait on taking my bike in trade until the new bike was ready was based in part on what happen prior, and the issues went beyond just the one mentioned above. Yes, the handshake isn't the day to day way you do business but given this would have been my third bike in five years and given all of the issues surrounding the bike I was trading (I was on a first name basis with folks in sales, parts, finance and service because of them) the handshake with the sales manager (with the assistant and sales person all standing around in agreement) made the call a week later backing out of that agreement the straw that broke the camels back.

As for the Rebel 1100, I expect it, like the 7 or 8 other Honda motorcycles I've owned, to be 100% reliable.

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I always get it in writing first, then shake on the deal. That stops all the BS.
The value of the handshake means nothing if you have the details in writing. If it's in writing there is nothing to shake on.
 
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Old Jan 19, 2025 | 09:25 PM
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Originally Posted by RK4ME
There is no mention of a sales contract in the OP, just a verbal agreement. I would have to see any deal involving a trade-in on paper before I considered it a done deal.
With that said, I'm done with a few of my local dealerships, one truck and two motorcycle, because of their service departments.
On paper wouldn't matter. What would be on paper, you don't get my bike until the new bike is ready? I can't force them to get the bike ready? The backbone of the agreement was their willingness to deliver it to me with risers on the bike and the Harley windshield. Between bikes, parts and maintenance I've probably spent $40K at this dealership (prior to the new bike) and they were will to toss that relationship away over $2K worth of parts and labor? There is no risk regarding my trade because if the bike came back damaged they had no formal commitment to value it at the value mentioned during the discussions. They only liability they would have was the $2K in parts and labor to get the bike ready.
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Originally Posted by hdsb2015
The value of the handshake means nothing if you have the details in writing. If it's in writing there is nothing to shake on.
You do realize the current year is 2025? In our litigious society we currently live in, who today would "depend" on a handshake deal? That's completely foolish. Vehicle sellers lie all the time. They're encouraged to lie. Did you get a purchase agreement?


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I've probably spent $40K at this dealership (prior to the new bike) and they were will to toss that relationship away over $2K worth of parts and labor? ​​​​​​
Hmmm, that's not even two motorcycles today.
 
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Old Jan 20, 2025 | 08:04 AM
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If you didn't have a signed Sales Order, there was no Deal, handshake or not. You don't have to be Judge Judy to figure that out......
 
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Old Jan 20, 2025 | 08:13 AM
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Everything in writing, despot of at least 10%. Change dealers, I'm a Harley man, Honda are good bikes, so move over to the Honda forum.
 
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Originally Posted by hdsb2015
The value of the handshake means nothing if you have the details in writing. If it's in writing there is nothing to shake on.
I totally agree.
 
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