No sugar coating.
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RE: No sugar coating.
Mr Doom and Gloom strikes again....
[sm=biker.gif]I agree we have to be vigilant, but not every accident can be avoided unless you want to kowtow to the government and park your bike and never ride again. As for me... I'm riding. I've made arrangements should anything happen. I've got medical coverage, and should my family need it, life insurance too. If I'm not hurt (too badly), I've also got something for the sorry SOB that tries to run me over too!
[sm=biker.gif]I agree we have to be vigilant, but not every accident can be avoided unless you want to kowtow to the government and park your bike and never ride again. As for me... I'm riding. I've made arrangements should anything happen. I've got medical coverage, and should my family need it, life insurance too. If I'm not hurt (too badly), I've also got something for the sorry SOB that tries to run me over too!
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RE: No sugar coating.
Just curious but how many of us have been rear-ended in a car? I know I have and I saw it coming. All I could do is hold on. It can happen just as easily on a bike. MSF teaches you must keep an eye on whats happening behind you. **** happens. On a bike its usually bad ****.
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RE: No sugar coating.
I was hopeing someone would bring the most important part up, which I try to live by. Every cage is out to kill me and with that in mind I need to be alert at all times for these cell phone using, gum snapping, alcohol induced, just plain blind, stupid and dont give a rip roaring crap about anything other then getting to point "B" no matter what or who else is on the road cagers. As other people have mentioned, don't mater who's fault it is if your dead.
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RE: No sugar coating.
I read that mag. the other day and this replonce made me mad to assume that every acc. is my fault is just plain stupid. one cannot see every thing that is going on at the same time all the time.
that mag is turning into a safety/cop oriented waste of time still a little ok stuff but not much
I have been riding mc for 50 years and yes I have had some close calls. I always told all my kids the only vehicle they didn't have to worry about was the one they were on/in and yes they all ride..
that mag is turning into a safety/cop oriented waste of time still a little ok stuff but not much
I have been riding mc for 50 years and yes I have had some close calls. I always told all my kids the only vehicle they didn't have to worry about was the one they were on/in and yes they all ride..
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RE: No sugar coating.
Horse and bull ****!!!
I was on post, I'm active Army, and was riding off post last week and I almost got creamed by some jackass on a cell phone. We're REQUIRED to wear a colorful or reflective vest on us and any bags that we have. She just flat out "didn't see me" and felt the need to merge into my lane as I rode in the "third lane" in my lane. I could see myself in her damn side view mirrors had on all the stupid gear. What happened? She merged and if it hadn't of been for my right wrist and a horn she'd of never of known I was there as she was gonna slam me into a concrete wall and the black Nissan Pathfinder behind me.
My fault? Your an *** if you believe this crap that we're responsible for every accident/fatality.
I was on post, I'm active Army, and was riding off post last week and I almost got creamed by some jackass on a cell phone. We're REQUIRED to wear a colorful or reflective vest on us and any bags that we have. She just flat out "didn't see me" and felt the need to merge into my lane as I rode in the "third lane" in my lane. I could see myself in her damn side view mirrors had on all the stupid gear. What happened? She merged and if it hadn't of been for my right wrist and a horn she'd of never of known I was there as she was gonna slam me into a concrete wall and the black Nissan Pathfinder behind me.
My fault? Your an *** if you believe this crap that we're responsible for every accident/fatality.
ORIGINAL: Yellotang
Yes, and I think what he is saying is, we have the choice to wear gear that is colorful enough, with flashing lights on then enough to be seen. And to top it all off what I really really really believe he is saying is, no matter what, we are the ones that have to watch out for these situations in all circumstances! The other drives are not going to be looking out for us period! And by accepting this fact, we will be more dilligant out there on the road.
In other words, we need to get our heads out of our a$$es when we ride!
ORIGINAL: SgtThump
I'm not following... If I'm sitting at a light and get rear ended by a car, how is that my fault? I'm clearly missing something... If he's insinuating that you should be alert enough to pull away when you see the car coming up, that's just stupid.
ORIGINAL: Yellotang
..."I believe that every crash involving a motorcycle is the fault of the motorcyclist, including those in which the bike is rear ended when stopped."...
..."I believe that every crash involving a motorcycle is the fault of the motorcyclist, including those in which the bike is rear ended when stopped."...
In other words, we need to get our heads out of our a$$es when we ride!
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RE: No sugar coating.
ORIGINAL: jmerr01
Horse and bull ****!!!
I was on post, I'm active Army, and was riding off post last week and I almost got creamed by some jackass on a cell phone. We're REQUIRED to wear a colorful or reflective vest on us and any bags that we have. She just flat out "didn't see me" and felt the need to merge into my lane as I rode in the "third lane" in my lane. I could see myself in her damn side view mirrors had on all the stupid gear. What happened? She merged and if it hadn't of been for my right wrist and a horn she'd of never of known I was there as she was gonna slam me into a concrete wall and the black Nissan Pathfinder behind me.
My fault? Your an *** if you believe this crap that we're responsible for every accident/fatality.
Horse and bull ****!!!
I was on post, I'm active Army, and was riding off post last week and I almost got creamed by some jackass on a cell phone. We're REQUIRED to wear a colorful or reflective vest on us and any bags that we have. She just flat out "didn't see me" and felt the need to merge into my lane as I rode in the "third lane" in my lane. I could see myself in her damn side view mirrors had on all the stupid gear. What happened? She merged and if it hadn't of been for my right wrist and a horn she'd of never of known I was there as she was gonna slam me into a concrete wall and the black Nissan Pathfinder behind me.
My fault? Your an *** if you believe this crap that we're responsible for every accident/fatality.
ORIGINAL: Yellotang
Yes, and I think what he is saying is, we have the choice to wear gear that is colorful enough, with flashing lights on then enough to be seen. And to top it all off what I really really really believe he is saying is, no matter what, we are the ones that have to watch out for these situations in all circumstances! The other drives are not going to be looking out for us period! And by accepting this fact, we will be more dilligant out there on the road.
In other words, we need to get our heads out of our a$$es when we ride!
ORIGINAL: SgtThump
I'm not following... If I'm sitting at a light and get rear ended by a car, how is that my fault? I'm clearly missing something... If he's insinuating that you should be alert enough to pull away when you see the car coming up, that's just stupid.
ORIGINAL: Yellotang
..."I believe that every crash involving a motorcycle is the fault of the motorcyclist, including those in which the bike is rear ended when stopped."...
..."I believe that every crash involving a motorcycle is the fault of the motorcyclist, including those in which the bike is rear ended when stopped."...
In other words, we need to get our heads out of our a$$es when we ride!
To say that "every" accident would be the bikers fault is definetly an overstatement. To say that "alot" of accident could have been avoided by an alert biker when the other person would have been considered at fault is not. Simple enough.
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RE: No sugar coating.
ORIGINAL: Yellotang
"I believe that every crash involving a motorcycle is the fault of the motorcyclist, including those in which the bike is rear ended when stopped."There is a whole lot of truth to that!
"I believe that every crash involving a motorcycle is the fault of the motorcyclist, including those in which the bike is rear ended when stopped."There is a whole lot of truth to that!
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RE: No sugar coating.
ORIGINAL: *NIGHT TRAIN*
"I believe that every crash involving a motorcycle is the fault of the motorcyclist, including those in which the bike is rear ended when stopped."
For the record...the above statement, which is simply the opinion of a reader in an article quoted by the OP, is the only thing I have differed with in the originalpost...
I ride every day assafely as possible...I have heard a number of great pieces of advise from many members here, which I take to heart when I ride...I will give up a right of way, keep my bike in gear when stopped, cover my mirrors, and move out of harms way any way I can to protect myself regardless of who is at fault in the incident...it's not aboutsplitting hairs over who's right or wrong...
I simply disagree with the comment that it's ALWAYS THE BIKER'S FAULT...nuff said...
"I believe that every crash involving a motorcycle is the fault of the motorcyclist, including those in which the bike is rear ended when stopped."
For the record...the above statement, which is simply the opinion of a reader in an article quoted by the OP, is the only thing I have differed with in the originalpost...
I ride every day assafely as possible...I have heard a number of great pieces of advise from many members here, which I take to heart when I ride...I will give up a right of way, keep my bike in gear when stopped, cover my mirrors, and move out of harms way any way I can to protect myself regardless of who is at fault in the incident...it's not aboutsplitting hairs over who's right or wrong...
I simply disagree with the comment that it's ALWAYS THE BIKER'S FAULT...nuff said...
