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Old Mar 14, 2006 | 12:21 PM
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In my opinion, I think there should be a helmet law in every state.
That's my opinion.
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In my opinion there should be the fat laws and the exercise laws and the sex laws, and the fast food laws, and the cigarette police. You want to be protected from yourself, there are a ton of places to start without picking on the motorcycle community which makes up such a small percentage of the population and ways that people can off themselves.

Wear a helmet if you choose, don't wear one if you choose, but don't choose for me unless you are willing to have me make choices for you.

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Old Mar 14, 2006 | 12:26 PM
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Not to cause an argument or anything...

I do agree that helmets are the way to go... Sometimes I am stupid and wear my novelty helmet when crusing locally... Most of the time I wear a full-face.

But... There are a lot of things that are bad for you and you have to decide if you want to take that risk... Riding a motorcycle is one of them. If you CHOOSE to ride a motorcycle with or without a helmet, you are making a choice that can put your life in grave danger. A helmet does up your odds of survival better but it is up to the individual (imho) to make the choice of how they want to gace that danger.

And you can use the same argument for seat belts... Seat Belts do save a lot of lives... But they have also caused severe injuries too... You just don't hear about it because telling people that seat belts can cause decapitation goes against the click it or ticket campaign that is making money for the states...

We live in a world were if you had 10000 people 5 of them want to tell everyone else how they should be/act/behave. Maybe 50% (probably a lot lower) of those people want to be told and the other 50% (probably a lot higher) want to be left alone to choose what they want.

A helmet is the right choice for me... but if the guy next to me wants to go without... it is his/her decision as an adult.

My favorite is the person with the full-face helmet wearing no shirt, cut off jeans, and flip flops on a bagger... WTF? So if we are going to start saying that EVERYONE has to wear a helmet why not tell everyone that they have to wear full leathers? Should they wear them? Probably... Do they have to? No... not legally. In 90 degree heat in NC I will wear my leather jacket, my gloves, my boots, and jeans... I have NEVER ridden ANY bike with shorts... Others do... They are being silly... but it is their choice. I don't think the government should tell them what to do either.

I think we have bigger problems on the roads than helmet laws.

Outlaw the use of handheld cell phones in cars and then come back to me with the helmet thing... Just who the hell do you have to talk to on the phone at 6am in the morning?

And btw... this is not aimed at lil_gmac or anyone else here.. just my $0.02
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I agree 100% !!!!

I will defend your right to not wear a helmet, but I am gonna call you an idiot for not wearing one.

 
Old Mar 14, 2006 | 12:27 PM
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These kind,s of subjects go nowhere...no one is telling anyone what to do here.Why all the defensive comments.?...I to ,am pulling out of the forum .I will only touch on tcstd,s diy sections occasionally.
 
Old Mar 14, 2006 | 12:30 PM
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I think the point is that we're all grown ups and don't need the government or anyone else to decide what risks we are willing and aren't willing to take.

I personally wear a helmet - but I don't like anyone telling me I have to.

If you want to get that way - then why aren't you saying there should be a law forcing you to wear long pants when you mow your lawn, or safety goggles when you use a weed wacker, or wear a life vest any time you get in a boat, or wearing gloves when you work on your bike...

The point is - lot's of people DO the things listed above for safetey concerns - and that's great - but do you want the government to tell you that you HAVE to do so?

No offense to anyone who wants helmet laws in every state - I'm a big boy and I don't need you or the government worrying about me when it comes to motorcycle helmets.

Joe
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Mowing grass or wearing a life vest isn't a split second disaster, like a motorcycle accident is.

So, if it's not a split second disaster it is easier on the family? Obiviously you have never watched your Father die of emphsema and heart failure, or you aunt of lung cancer.

Regards,

Bill


 
Old Mar 14, 2006 | 12:41 PM
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When you say that there should be a helmet law in every state how can you say that you are not telling me what to do? If my rebuttal offends you or appears defensive, so sorry. I believe in freedom provided it does not injure or kill someone else, and I feel that there are a lot more pressing issues than whether someone does or does not wear a helmet.

As far as your pulling out or the forum, that also is a personal choice. Feel free to do what is best for you.

Regards,

Bill
 
Old Mar 14, 2006 | 12:55 PM
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A helmet saved my life when I was 18. I slid head first into a car going ~45mph. The helmet cracked (about six inches or so), but stayed in place. This was in Iowa where there is no helmet law. I wore it only because my mom was on my a$$ about it.

That being said, I don't think that there should a helmet law in any state. I personally wear a full face, but only because I am too cheap to get LASIK and I can't find googles to fit over my glasses. I will probably always wear a fullface on the interstate, but if I could cruise around the sidestreets without one, I would.
 
Old Mar 14, 2006 | 01:08 PM
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you know this has been beat to death if you or any body else wants to wear a helmet that is fine but to say every state should have a helmet law i would say keep your opion to your self this is a free country you do what you think is right for you and only you . 31 years ago we had a helmet law we took the facts in and prove that it did not help that much and there has been more proof that they do cause more injuries than help more and more states are getting away from them if you are going to go back in time you should check the facts before you get to carried away a helmet is great if you are going to slide on your head but for impact they will break your neck just as fast as with out.its like it has been said a helmet will allow you to have a open casket . i have been in wrecks twice in over 40 years of rideing and never had helmet on and i'm still rideing it is my choice and aways will be my choice i soent a year in rice paddies so i could have my choice.
 
Old Mar 14, 2006 | 01:19 PM
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WEAR A HELMET!
 
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Old Mar 14, 2006 | 02:00 PM
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bill,my statement was not aimed at you .I didnt intend to " tease the lizard "..
 
Old Mar 14, 2006 | 02:10 PM
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I must have missed the article that said all 18 of the dead would be alive and kicking if they'd only been wearing a helmet.

I know that many of us on here are pretty adamant about wearing a helmet, but don't let imprecise editorializing by someone who's probably never been on a bike (the cartoonist, not Alazo) get in the way of remembering that the government loves to restrict freedoms... but only for our own good, of course.
I love all this helmet banter. I look at it this way. Most people feel compelled to insure their investment's and that's a good thing, right? I feel everyone should figure out what their head is worth and act accordingly. If there's not much up there, why worry about it. jmo
 



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