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To HD R&D will we pay for more speed???
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Acceleration and speed goes hand in hand. Increase the HP and you will accelerate quicker and go faster. The V-Rod, despite having less torque, will smoke the TC everywhere: acceleration, speed and even top-gear roll-ons (because it can use lower gearing).
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dope man, Yeah I new yours was not stock. I was just trying to point out to these guys that just because Victory offers a cammer motor stock it does not mean you have to get blown away by them. Aside from the Hammer, the Victory bikes aint got ****! LOL I've dusted a couple Kingpins myself and I have not even opened up my engine yet....just pipes, A/C and TMax w/autotune. It flat out RUNS from my buddies stock train. He was so blown away (pun intended
) that, after telling me he had to hold off until after Christmas, he ran out and got himself some V&H pipes the following weekend! LOL
For the record, the Victory in that lame *** video was not stock. It was too loud to be stock. Unless someone around here knows what those two bikes really were and knows the guys riding them, that race does not mean ****. LOL
) that, after telling me he had to hold off until after Christmas, he ran out and got himself some V&H pipes the following weekend! LOLFor the record, the Victory in that lame *** video was not stock. It was too loud to be stock. Unless someone around here knows what those two bikes really were and knows the guys riding them, that race does not mean ****. LOL
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Actually, I have some experience with a friend in Jax with a quick VRod. He dynos at over 120 HP but his torque numbers were still low and he had to turn past 5500 to really start pulling. In other words....that top gear roll on statement (at least in this instance) is not true. We left a bike night in Jacksonville and hopped on the highway. Because my 05 NT was the quickest bike in our group that night, our friend Luke
<---Luke~~road trip repair LOLhad been eggin' us on to run. So we left the bike night and on the highway headin' south we made 4 pulls. The only way he could get away from me was to downshift. The first two pulls we hit it from 55 in the gear of our choosing and he won but really only pulled a couple bikes as we approached 90. On the 3rd run we were in top gear at 65 and hit it and I was able to pull him to just below 95. The fourth pull was supposed to be another top gear pull from 65 but I cheated and blew his doors off by dropping to 3rd gear...LOL. When we stopped at our next bar, he was trippin and I had to tell him that I dropped two gears to do it. LOL It was a fun night.
When I get this one where I want it, I will run from him and every Hamster you bring me...
P.S. It's very interesting that the percentage of people who voted on this thread that they are happy with the stock power is within 6 percentage points of the number of riders who are 47 or older. https://www.hdforums.com/forum/gener...for-speed.html
Last edited by mopardave; Jan 5, 2009 at 12:47 PM. Reason: P.S.
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Topgear roll-ons:
V-Rod VRSAW -08
40-60mph 4.2s
60-90mph 4.8s
Street Bob -07
40-60mph 6.0s
60-90mph 7.3s
I know many people think you don't have to downshift the A/C Harleys to pass etc. My experience is totally the opposite. I think those bikes really need a downshift or two to get moving. The stock TC96 bikes actually loses out to 600cc rocket bikes in top gear roll-ons, even from as low as 40mph.
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Yes, I do. And I also realize that horsepower and torque are interrelated. But that has nothing to do with speed. Speed basically is RPM fed into your drive train. You need horsepower to spin the drive train. Torque determines how quickly you can change the RPM.
I know people have spent lots of money to "get more power" from their engine, but what they've done at the same time is shifted their torque and horsepower peaks forward (to higher RPMs) and moved their Rev limiter up. Very powerful bikes indeed on the highway or once they get rolling, but that's not what makes me, personally, smile. I want to have the bike surge when I roll on the throttle going into a corner at 40 mph in third gear because I do that a lot more than I go 100 mph. I'd pay more for a bike that does that.
I'd also pay more for a bike that handles better in that corner.
And I'd pay more for a bike that stops better.
But I wouldn't pay more for a bike that goes 150. Speed in a corner is valuable to me. Speed going in a straight line is not. That's all I'm saying.
I know people have spent lots of money to "get more power" from their engine, but what they've done at the same time is shifted their torque and horsepower peaks forward (to higher RPMs) and moved their Rev limiter up. Very powerful bikes indeed on the highway or once they get rolling, but that's not what makes me, personally, smile. I want to have the bike surge when I roll on the throttle going into a corner at 40 mph in third gear because I do that a lot more than I go 100 mph. I'd pay more for a bike that does that.
I'd also pay more for a bike that handles better in that corner.
And I'd pay more for a bike that stops better.
But I wouldn't pay more for a bike that goes 150. Speed in a corner is valuable to me. Speed going in a straight line is not. That's all I'm saying.
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unless youre in a tractor pull even hill climbs are timed events
1/8th mile drags are timed events
this was directed at consumer street bikes and not just top end speed but yes, speed in general and it occured to me after the threads talking about getting passed by ricers or Victorys or Gwings etc that there was a disproportionate number of HD owners unsatisfied with the performance hence the comments about how many stage 1 mods to get past the lean burn of the clean air laws...
so far this unscientific poll proves me wrong
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P.S. It's very interesting that the percentage of people who voted on this thread that they are happy with the stock power is within 6 percentage points of the number of riders who are 47 or older. https://www.hdforums.com/forum/gener...for-speed.html
P.S. It's very interesting that the percentage of people who voted on this thread that they are happy with the stock power is within 6 percentage points of the number of riders who are 47 or older. https://www.hdforums.com/forum/gener...for-speed.html
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Yes, but I think it's the HD riding public in general. Most 20 year olds can't afford a HD, but a less expensive import is within their reach easilly, plus, the youngsters do generally like speed more than the old timers. That was the point I was looking at.
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