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Old Jul 28, 2006 | 12:07 AM
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EH was the most successful IPO (of that time). They had $160M to play with, and thanks to some poor spending, blew it before the second year's bikes were ready. Although I agree w/this expense, they spent $20M on the paint booth process alone (It's real nice paint). But their museum plans and expensive offices (to look like they were not newbies) ate too much. Plus they wanted a HD-like collectibles line from day1. They did hurry a std fork model to get the people not into the springer front, and were making a hard-bagger too. But those needed lots of money, and they spent all $160M already (in 5 years).

The stock tanked when this was found out, so they went looking for 'partners'. And deep pocket Bombardier wanted an in on their other offerings. Rather like Polaris. But (rumor) was none of the Hanlons would be much more than figurehead consultants. So they chaptered, and 'EH Partners' swooped in promising to keep the entire company intact and producing (stipulation on the award). What they DID was strip out the completed bikes (taken to FLA), and when caught they declared bankruptcy.

AFA the product it is both great and sucky. The tranny is a Yammy design that they altered - narrower gear thickness - but they kept the same bushings. Result: complete trans failure at speed around 8000 miles. Weak lifter springs that make a sewing machine racket. Early chrome plating (IPS series) that flaked off the first year). I basically costs about $1400 to fix the factory mess ups yourself or $2500 to have one of 3 people do it for ya.

But it rides sweet, lots of top end power and lots of hop-up potential (prototype 'hot' engines were putting out 150hp on 85in). And the remaining wrenchers came up with a sweet 'SERT' tool that allows everything to be adjusted. Read and set air/fuel, advance, and more. I have not picked any up but will get one for all 3. And the guy in CA even offers a blower. It being a springer, the front end does not dive, and those huge springs hypnotically vibrate on the road. Looks even cooler w/the light kit.

I have seen some as low as $5500. And would recommend anyone wanting another bike to get one and fix it up (if it was not already).
That's some really good and insightful commentary..I only hope they are PROPERLY funded this time around with the RIGHT management team and ENOUGH money behind them to make this really work long term..160M is a drop in the bucker IMHO. They need BOTH elements in place before I would invest in one of their bikes..but if they did I might just bite!
 
Old Jul 28, 2006 | 12:55 AM
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I hope they make it. It wouldn 't hurt to have a little more competition out there for Harley.
I agree.Maybe it will keep HD a little more honest.
 
Old Jul 28, 2006 | 01:34 AM
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There was a guy in the U.K that had the rights to the name in Europe. He was making the "Four". Don't know what happened to it ... but it was a nice looking bike.
 
Old Jul 28, 2006 | 03:21 AM
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I hope they make it as well. I like their styling in the past.
 
Old Jul 28, 2006 | 10:55 AM
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As long as they make their own stuff - no S&S, no HD frames, etc., and get a classicly style Chief, they may do alright. Would really like to see them and Victory chunk out sizeable spots in the cruiser markets.
 
Old Jul 28, 2006 | 11:14 AM
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Before the last incarnation of the Indian clone bikes hit the streets, Eller Industries and the cow creek indians had the rights in recievership. They have the right bike (a real Indian, not a clone), alot of support fron detroit. Hell, Bob Lutz (chairman of Chrysler, VP of GM, creator of all things great) himself was heavily involved partner at one point. The bike they built and were going to produce was perfect in every way. You bet your *** that Indian would still be around with this piece of functional art roaming the streets. Do you really think the judge involved in this case was looking out for Indian's best interest when the court awarded CMC the rights to the Indian name? The new bikes are more of the same with some improvements.

http://www.indiantrademark.net/t07Media/news02.html
http://www.starklite.com/nov98pr.htm
http://www.theautochannel.com/news/p...ess000349.html

This is what "could have been". The Eller/Cow Creek Prototype


 
Old Jul 28, 2006 | 11:18 AM
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Oh what could have been. I'm crying right now [X(]

The world lost out on one of the all time great motorcycles.


 
Old Jul 28, 2006 | 11:23 AM
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It's almost unfait to compare the Eller to any of the later production bikes but take a look.

The new owner of Indian seems to be a great guy and very passionate about the motorcycles. If he got the rights to the Elller design and ditched the failed CMC chief design, that would be something else.


 
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Old Jul 28, 2006 | 01:58 PM
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ORIGINAL: Panhead_1_9_4_8

There was a guy in the U.K that had the rights to the name in Europe. He was making the "Four". Don't know what happened to it ... but it was a nice looking bike.
He brought some to the states. I heard above $40k for one of them.
 
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ORIGINAL: fl_799

It's almost unfait to compare the Eller to any of the later production bikes but take a look.

The new owner of Indian seems to be a great guy and very passionate about the motorcycles. If he got the rights to the Elller design and ditched the failed CMC chief design, that would be something else.

The judge was only looking out for the business, not the consumer. Eller had a real bike, better design, and Rousch was going to build the OHC motor. They even had std cruiser and street fighter bikes to complete the lineup for everyone.

Now Eller is gone, CMC is dead, hundreds lost jobs, thousands lost $$, and the Indian is foreign owned. Way to go, hack judge
 



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