Leather Jacket
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Fox Creek contracts out their work to manufacturers in the US. Why is that an issue? Does Langlitz make their own zippers or contract that out? Would you feel better if they had someone in the back room custom making the zippers and charging an extra $200 for the jacket? What about the buttons or snaps? If a company like Fox Creek has their products made to their specifications, how is that different than Langlitz making a jacket to their customer's specifications? To me it's all about the quality of the product, the price point and that it's made here in the US.
Both make a good product, what's the big deal?
Both make a good product, what's the big deal?
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Fox Creek contracts out their work to manufacturers in the US. Why is that an issue? Does Langlitz make their own zippers or contract that out? Would you feel better if they had someone in the back room custom making the zippers and charging an extra $200 for the jacket? What about the buttons or snaps? If a company like Fox Creek has their products made to their specifications, how is that different than Langlitz making a jacket to their customer's specifications? To me it's all about the quality of the product, the price point and that it's made here in the US.
Both make a good product, what's the big deal?
Both make a good product, what's the big deal?
Yeah, call that nitpicking but when I buy my US made jacket it's going to be from FoxCreek because the service and the effort to supply that service are what matter to me. I am sure Langlitz is worth the money, but I will not pay that much for a jacket. FoxCreek seems like a good price for a good jacket. With Vanson being made overseas now and their service being notoriously horrible, the choices are narrowing. Langlitz, Schotts (sic?), and Fox Creek...and maybe some small custom shops.
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My reply wasn't aimed at you, just a reply to the questions about Fox Creek in general.
Just getting the facts, that's all. I emailed them this morning and they emailed me back within an hour and told me that they, in fact, contract them to US factories. I emailed Vanson a month ago and never heard anything back so I forgot about it. Yesterday, they returned my email with an unpunctuated three word response.
Yeah, call that nitpicking but when I buy my US made jacket it's going to be from FoxCreek because the service and the effort to supply that service are what matter to me. I am sure Langlitz is worth the money, but I will not pay that much for a jacket. FoxCreek seems like a good price for a good jacket. With Vanson being made overseas now and their service being notoriously horrible, the choices are narrowing. Langlitz, Schotts (sic?), and Fox Creek...and maybe some small custom shops.
Yeah, call that nitpicking but when I buy my US made jacket it's going to be from FoxCreek because the service and the effort to supply that service are what matter to me. I am sure Langlitz is worth the money, but I will not pay that much for a jacket. FoxCreek seems like a good price for a good jacket. With Vanson being made overseas now and their service being notoriously horrible, the choices are narrowing. Langlitz, Schotts (sic?), and Fox Creek...and maybe some small custom shops.
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Fox Creek contracts out their work to manufacturers in the US. Why is that an issue? Does Langlitz make their own zippers or contract that out? Would you feel better if they had someone in the back room custom making the zippers and charging an extra $200 for the jacket? What about the buttons or snaps? If a company like Fox Creek has their products made to their specifications, how is that different than Langlitz making a jacket to their customer's specifications? To me it's all about the quality of the product, the price point and that it's made here in the US.
Both make a good product, what's the big deal?
Both make a good product, what's the big deal?
Ususally when some ask a question like yours is not worth answering because you opinion is formed. And that is fine. But it is BS when all of this smack talk starts from people that do not have a clue or even contacted Langlitz about their products.
It is evident that price point is your only consideration. You get what is on the rack period. And that is fine no foul. To me quality is my only consideration. Quality materials, components, craftmanship, proper fit, proper function and service. You buy quanity once.
When you contract as a reseller and retailer, the guy that has the lowest cost gets the contract. Like it or not that is the way it is. Just wondering does Foxcreek use YKK import zippers or USA made Talon and Scovil.
When you buy from Lanlitz they are crafting the product, they put their name on the product they build. Riders designed the product. When I had my wifes jacket made. The the actual person that made the jacket call my my wife three times to be sure it would correct. She is a size 2 about 5 foot even. When she got the jacket it is evident that the jacket is hers because fits and it is functional. No where on the a Langlitz garment is there exterior markings so the poser comments really are not relavant, but I know how important the Foxcreek buttons are to you. To be truthful the nice thing about Langlitz is only riders realize what it is because it is so functional. So I always hope the posers will steal your Foxcreek jacket over mine.
Now to value do a search in ebay, Craigs list or even here. A twenty year Lanlitz jacket is still worth more than your Foxcreek new.
But enjoy and ride hard, to me Langlitz and Harley go hand in hand. I am very fortunate to have saved over time to own both.
Last edited by leicafish; Feb 23, 2010 at 01:50 PM.
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I read both posts 12 times each and they still make no sense.
Generally speaking companys like langlitz don't last if they aren't making quality. They're a niche product with a small and loyal following and most of their adverstising comes word of mouth. If $1000 is too much, don't buy it. Why bash it??
Just saying...
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I went with HD FXRG Jacket it was on sale $250 at my dealership. It has a liner that is a light jacket on it's own. The HD FXRG Jacket is waterproof by the way it's built. It has light armor built in and it's made with vents for thought warmer rides. Why would like outside the box for leather jacket made for the Poser in a car. If your jacket is not made with the protection for riding why buy it.
Comparing a textile FXRG jacket to a leather jacket from any of the above manufacturers is rather like claiming a Kia is the equal of a BMW.
I'm the epitome of the Poor Urban Biker but one thing I absolutely WILL not skimp on is gear. I may do a lot of research to find the best bang for the buck, but I will not just throw a couple hundred bucks at a jacket just because it has some cheap elbow armor included or the latest popular brand name.
Langlitz earned their reputation and as soon as I've got 1K I'm not doing anything with, and that the wife doesn't inadvertently earmark for something silly like kid's clothes, mortgage payments or food, Langlitz is getting it.
Last edited by honorsdaddy; Feb 23, 2010 at 02:19 PM.
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FXRG gear is re-branded Tourmaster and/or Fieldsheer. Decent yes, but not even remotely in the same class as Langlitz or even Fox Creek, Vanson, XPert, or Dianese.
Comparing a textile FXRG jacket to a leather jacket from any of the above manufacturers is rather like claiming a Kia is the equal of a BMW.
I'm the epitome of the Poor Urban Biker but one thing I absolutely WILL not skimp on is gear. I may do a lot of research to find the best bang for the buck, but I will not just throw a couple hundred bucks at a jacket just because it has some cheap elbow armor included or the latest popular brand name.
Langlitz earned their reputation and as soon as I've got 1K I'm not doing anything with, and that the wife doesn't inadvertently earmark for something silly like kid's clothes, mortgage payments or food, Langlitz is getting it.
Comparing a textile FXRG jacket to a leather jacket from any of the above manufacturers is rather like claiming a Kia is the equal of a BMW.
I'm the epitome of the Poor Urban Biker but one thing I absolutely WILL not skimp on is gear. I may do a lot of research to find the best bang for the buck, but I will not just throw a couple hundred bucks at a jacket just because it has some cheap elbow armor included or the latest popular brand name.
Langlitz earned their reputation and as soon as I've got 1K I'm not doing anything with, and that the wife doesn't inadvertently earmark for something silly like kid's clothes, mortgage payments or food, Langlitz is getting it.
Hang in there, been there
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On the other hand, it sounds as if your opinion is already formed as well. I think every single person has an opinion, that's what makes them individuals. Most of the time, however, I solicit opinions and consider them when someone has experience with the product just as you do with Langlitz. I would like a Langlitz but I will never pay that much for a jacket. Three to four hundred is the limit I am comfortable with, and Fox Creek happens to have (from what many others have said) well made, American made jackets of a heavy, high quality leather. Maybe I will buy a used Langlitz some day, but alas, it won't fit because it was made for someone else...as it should be.
Last edited by nskitts; Feb 23, 2010 at 03:30 PM.
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Fox Creek Pimps? LOL. What does that make you, the Langlitz pimp? 
You get on people for their opinions on Fox Creek yet you do the same thing with Langlitz. You come across in every post like you're the fricken God of leather and nobody else is allowed a dissenting opinion. Please.
I have contacted the Almighty Langlitz and bowed at the altar of leather, but was deemed not worthy. Being one of the Lanlitz pimps, maybe you can put in a good word for me.
Get off your leather high horse and spare me the sanctimonious BS.
Amen and go in peace.
You get on people for their opinions on Fox Creek yet you do the same thing with Langlitz. You come across in every post like you're the fricken God of leather and nobody else is allowed a dissenting opinion. Please. I have contacted the Almighty Langlitz and bowed at the altar of leather, but was deemed not worthy. Being one of the Lanlitz pimps, maybe you can put in a good word for me.
Get off your leather high horse and spare me the sanctimonious BS.
Amen and go in peace.
There is no big deal except to the Fox Creek Pimps.
Ususally when some ask a question like yours is not worth answering because you opinion is formed. And that is fine. But it is BS when all of this smack talk starts from people that do not have a clue or even contacted Langlitz about their products.
It is evident that price point is your only consideration. You get what is on the rack period. And that is fine no foul. To me quality is my only consideration. Quality materials, components, craftmanship, proper fit, proper function and service. You buy quanity once.
When you contract as a reseller and retailer, the guy that has the lowest cost gets the contract. Like it or not that is the way it is. Just wondering does Foxcreek use YKK import zippers or USA made Talon and Scovil.
When you buy from Lanlitz they are crafting the product, they put their name on the product they build. Riders designed the product. When I had my wifes jacket made. The the actual person that made the jacket call my my wife three times to be sure it would correct. She is a size 2 about 5 foot even. When she got the jacket it is evident that the jacket is hers because fits and it is functional. No where on the a Langlitz garment is there exterior markings so the poser comments really are not relavant, but I know how important the Foxcreek buttons are to you. To be truthful the nice thing about Langlitz is only riders realize what it is because it is so functional. So I always hope the posers will steal your Foxcreek jacket over mine.
Now to value do a search in ebay, Craigs list or even here. A twenty year Lanlitz jacket is still worth more than your Foxcreek new.
But enjoy and ride hard, to me Langlitz and Harley go hand in hand. I am very fortunate to have saved over time to own both.
Ususally when some ask a question like yours is not worth answering because you opinion is formed. And that is fine. But it is BS when all of this smack talk starts from people that do not have a clue or even contacted Langlitz about their products.
It is evident that price point is your only consideration. You get what is on the rack period. And that is fine no foul. To me quality is my only consideration. Quality materials, components, craftmanship, proper fit, proper function and service. You buy quanity once.
When you contract as a reseller and retailer, the guy that has the lowest cost gets the contract. Like it or not that is the way it is. Just wondering does Foxcreek use YKK import zippers or USA made Talon and Scovil.
When you buy from Lanlitz they are crafting the product, they put their name on the product they build. Riders designed the product. When I had my wifes jacket made. The the actual person that made the jacket call my my wife three times to be sure it would correct. She is a size 2 about 5 foot even. When she got the jacket it is evident that the jacket is hers because fits and it is functional. No where on the a Langlitz garment is there exterior markings so the poser comments really are not relavant, but I know how important the Foxcreek buttons are to you. To be truthful the nice thing about Langlitz is only riders realize what it is because it is so functional. So I always hope the posers will steal your Foxcreek jacket over mine.
Now to value do a search in ebay, Craigs list or even here. A twenty year Lanlitz jacket is still worth more than your Foxcreek new.
But enjoy and ride hard, to me Langlitz and Harley go hand in hand. I am very fortunate to have saved over time to own both.
Last edited by petemac; Feb 23, 2010 at 03:27 PM.
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Fox Creek Pimps? LOL. What does that make you, the Langlitz pimp? You get on people for their opinions on Fox Creek yet you do the same thing with Langlitz. You come across in every post like you're the fricken God of leather and nobody else is allowed a dissenting opinion. Please.
I have contacted the Almighty Langlitz and bowed at the alter of leather, but was deemed not worthy. Being one of the Lanlitz pimps, maybe you can put in a good word for me.
Get off your leather high horse and spare me the sanctimonious BS.
Amen and go in peace.
You get on people for their opinions on Fox Creek yet you do the same thing with Langlitz. You come across in every post like you're the fricken God of leather and nobody else is allowed a dissenting opinion. Please. I have contacted the Almighty Langlitz and bowed at the alter of leather, but was deemed not worthy. Being one of the Lanlitz pimps, maybe you can put in a good word for me.
Get off your leather high horse and spare me the sanctimonious BS.
Amen and go in peace.
Just the facts rather than the BS, and if you are with reference that I became informed before I put my hard earned money down I will take that as a compliment.
Last edited by leicafish; Feb 23, 2010 at 03:53 PM.