Saving Harley Davidson
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Saving HD
Who said they needed saving, everybody generates some lower profits and production numbers in an economic downturn! Harley will pick up profits and production as the economy improves!
The most important thing Harley could do along with the rest of the motorcycle industry is to invent another way of meeting the tough 2010 EPA Emissons Standards aside from putting a CAT in the Exhaust System!
The Cats are tough on engine performance and sound and in some cases cause a heat problem on an air cooled engine. Water cooling and leaving the Cat in the Exhaust is not an option because you still kill the sound and the performance with that thing stuck in the exhaust!
The old ancient engine design is still a kick to ride but was not meant to have a Catalytic Converter hung on it, Harley engineer's have to know that! The Cats were adopted for the automotive industry to meet EPA Clean Air Standards but they are all water cooled! The Motorcycle industry as a whole needs to collaborate and pool their resources to build a devise that does not have to be stuck in the exhaust system to meet the EPA 2010 Standard!
We lost the Timkin Bearings and now have to live with EPA Cams and lean AFR, the CATS were the last straw! Long term these things will do more to destroy Harley than any other issue once it becomes known that all the Harley's have them from 2010 and on!
The most important thing Harley could do along with the rest of the motorcycle industry is to invent another way of meeting the tough 2010 EPA Emissons Standards aside from putting a CAT in the Exhaust System!
The Cats are tough on engine performance and sound and in some cases cause a heat problem on an air cooled engine. Water cooling and leaving the Cat in the Exhaust is not an option because you still kill the sound and the performance with that thing stuck in the exhaust!
The old ancient engine design is still a kick to ride but was not meant to have a Catalytic Converter hung on it, Harley engineer's have to know that! The Cats were adopted for the automotive industry to meet EPA Clean Air Standards but they are all water cooled! The Motorcycle industry as a whole needs to collaborate and pool their resources to build a devise that does not have to be stuck in the exhaust system to meet the EPA 2010 Standard!
We lost the Timkin Bearings and now have to live with EPA Cams and lean AFR, the CATS were the last straw! Long term these things will do more to destroy Harley than any other issue once it becomes known that all the Harley's have them from 2010 and on!
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From: Indiana
My take on the issue, is that we look at riding/bikes as a lifestyle, and the MOCO, and most other MOCO's look at it as a business (as they should). We can romanticize all we want about how we think the MOCO should act.
Yeah, everything to do with a HD is expensive....we all know that going in. If someone doesn't like it they have the choice to change.
Yeah, everything to do with a HD is expensive....we all know that going in. If someone doesn't like it they have the choice to change.
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Harley Tax
In a recession! You know in times where you can't just put it on the card anymore!
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Heck I'm still looking on how they figure out the pricing of their bikes in the first
The one thing H-D does w/o peer, is marketing. One pays, say, 20K for an H-D, 4-5K of that is to cover marketing costs. They've succeded beyond any company's wildest dreams for that elusive "brand recognition"...the mystique of H-D is unparalled. I wonder how large their marketing dept is compared to say, research & develp? Or customer service?
Sonny Barger's hope is that one day his fellow MC members see the light, drop H-D altogether and ride other bikes...even say, horror of horrors, japanese bikes. He rides a Victory for those of you keeping score...
Before u bitch and moan and sling insults (does any group b&m more than bikers?) i own and love my H-D ride.
Sonny Barger's hope is that one day his fellow MC members see the light, drop H-D altogether and ride other bikes...even say, horror of horrors, japanese bikes. He rides a Victory for those of you keeping score...
Before u bitch and moan and sling insults (does any group b&m more than bikers?) i own and love my H-D ride.
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Thats COOL, thanks for posting the pics!
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Supply and demand......we could always,
> Work hard, schmooze the right people, go to the right school and become CEO
> Vote with your pocket book (yay or nay, our choice)
I guess I don't understand why people think MOCO is emotionally invested, it's a business. We are the ones emotionally invested for good or bad. If Victory, Indian, Star or others do it better then we can buy their product. Last I checked a lot of great Americans died so we have a choice and that includes HD.
> Work hard, schmooze the right people, go to the right school and become CEO
> Vote with your pocket book (yay or nay, our choice)
I guess I don't understand why people think MOCO is emotionally invested, it's a business. We are the ones emotionally invested for good or bad. If Victory, Indian, Star or others do it better then we can buy their product. Last I checked a lot of great Americans died so we have a choice and that includes HD.
