New Gasoline killing performance????
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I was at the dealership this morning for an event and stopped by service and spoke with the service manager. I have had my bike cut out or stall 3-4 times in the last few days. I had him verify that I have the 25degree injectors and make sure that I have the correct download. I am running 93 Octane super unleaded in my bike. We have had a switch in the last 3 months to the 10% ethanol in the Dallas/Ft.Worth area. Does anyone else have this fuel and notice problems issues with their bike ( sputtering, stalling). Another guy was behind me talking with the service manager and said that when he fills up in another county without the mandated 10% ethanol he does not have any issues with his bike.
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RE: New Gasoline killing performance????
The ethanol that they are putting in the gas reduces the amount of energy available. This will cause a reduce in power and mileage.
It sounds like you got some water in the fuel.
It sounds like you got some water in the fuel.
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The E85 and any ethanol blends are going to be less efficient, but we will see more of them. The good news is it's a sustainable resource that reduces our dependence on couuntires with questionable politics , and provides US workers with more job security while burning with less polutants . The bad new is the price is frequently higher ( at least for now , partialy due to limited scale) and worse performance and mileage. As it becomes more prevalent , I'd suspect even HD will be able to cope with engine development/management to maximize it's potential.
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Actually, your mileage would be the only (slightly) affected item in this on E10 (gasohol). Your power would not be affected as even though ethanol burns up faster, it has more octane rating by itself. It is cleaner, so it can gum up filters. What would also be true is E10 is leaner than regular 93, so a remap would be needed in some cases.
E85 has a vastly higher octane than 93, and though mileage can got down as much as 30%, your performance on that would be much higher. You could even run a higher compression w/no knocks. Problem again is the EFI ECM would need a big remap to handle the increased volume needs.
E85 has a vastly higher octane than 93, and though mileage can got down as much as 30%, your performance on that would be much higher. You could even run a higher compression w/no knocks. Problem again is the EFI ECM would need a big remap to handle the increased volume needs.
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I'd personally feel as though that answer is BS. Most major markets now require E10 and have for many years. This isn't something brand new. If it was...everyone would have the same problems. Go to a new Dealer and don't tell them about the E10.
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I think my bike feels like it has a bit more 'pep' with E10 as opposed to not.
I once accidentally stuck in 87 octane, and that sucked, lost all kinds of power.
I once accidentally stuck in 87 octane, and that sucked, lost all kinds of power.
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This reminds me of an issue we had here in Wisconsin a few years back: Several thousand GM vehicle owners had issues with clogged fuel injectors and after months of studying the problem it was determined by GM engineers that all the trouble was caused by bad gas. No one in the media bothered to ask the obvious question..."but why aren't the folks driving Fords, Chryslers, Hondas or Toyotas experiencing these problems?"
Blaming the gas is just too easy and simple. Yes, E85 would be a problem (85% ethanol) but we have 10% ethanol blends here in Wisconsin and they aren't causing any issues with our bikes.
Blaming the gas is just too easy and simple. Yes, E85 would be a problem (85% ethanol) but we have 10% ethanol blends here in Wisconsin and they aren't causing any issues with our bikes.
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I heard on a radio show yesterday, that some chrysler vehicles recommend not using E10, the reasoning they gave is that the ethynol is harder on rubber seals that straight gasoline. The hosts of the show advised the lady that called in to avoid E10 if she could.
if some places are mandating it, how are people supposed to avoid it? Doesn't make sense.
if some places are mandating it, how are people supposed to avoid it? Doesn't make sense.
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if some places are mandating it, how are people supposed to avoid it? Doesn't make sense.
if some places are mandating it, how are people supposed to avoid it? Doesn't make sense.