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Old Aug 18, 2010 | 06:25 PM
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How did they get the 103 without putting the cams in??????? is it still really a 96??????? I'm not a motor head so just need a lil splaining as rickie recardo would say
 
Old Aug 18, 2010 | 06:50 PM
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A 103 is a change in cubic inch displacement. That's all!
All a cam does is control how much air and fuel gets in and out of the motor through its placement of the lobes of the cam.
the cam is also considered the heart because of this. I plan on doing a 103 build when mine is paid off, but I will most likely leave the cams alone. I like longevity and smooth running. I'm sure you have heard the rump,rump, rump of a cam in a motor. This is the same thing. You cam a motor to get more into and out of it through timing, which relates to where on the cam the lobes have been ground onto it.
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Just by changing the cylinder you can increase the cubic inch displacement so that would be considered the bottom half of your engine including the cylinders, pistons and crank shaft. The cam is part of the top end witch is your cam and valves in the heads. The lobes on the cam opens and closes the valves so changing the cam gives you more lift keeping the valve open longer increasing intake and exhaust timing but nothing to do with displacement. hope that helps some.
 
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Originally Posted by Turbo Turtle
A 103 is a change in cubic inch displacement. That's all!
All a cam does is control how much air and fuel gets in and out of the motor through its placement of the lobes of the cam.
the cam is also considered the heart because of this. I plan on doing a 103 build when mine is paid off, but I will most likely leave the cams alone. I like longevity and smooth running. I'm sure you have heard the rump,rump, rump of a cam in a motor. This is the same thing. You cam a motor to get more into and out of it through timing, which relates to where on the cam the lobes have been ground onto it.
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Well that's a rather loose description of how a camshaft works, but basically a performance camshaft (the cam lobes act on the lifters or cam followers which raise the pushrods which in turn act on the rockers which act on the valve stems to open the valves) has lobes which are ground to give increased dwell (the duration of valve opening) increased amounts of overlap (in which the the inlet and exhaust valves are open simultaneously) the degree of lift (in which the valve opens further into the combustion chamber) and the speed at which the valve opens and closes relative to the combustion cycle. The characteristics of valve movements as a result of the revised cam profiles (which usually have a flat topped appearance) do indeed ensure greater amounts and more efficient gasflow through the head. However, there are limits to the gains that can be had with standard ports, and so gas-flowing is recommended to get the best results - If you want ultimate power from a given build.
 

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Old Aug 18, 2010 | 08:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Turbo Turtle
A 103 is a change in cubic inch displacement. That's all!
All a cam does is control how much air and fuel gets in and out of the motor through its placement of the lobes of the cam.
the cam is also considered the heart because of this. I plan on doing a 103 build when mine is paid off, but I will most likely leave the cams alone. I like longevity and smooth running. I'm sure you have heard the rump,rump, rump of a cam in a motor. This is the same thing. You cam a motor to get more into and out of it through timing, which relates to where on the cam the lobes have been ground onto it.
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I would strongly suggest a cam change as opposed to more cubes. You will pick up more HP and TQ for far less money. A race tuner would be a good idea as well as some dyno time. Just a suggestion.
 
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Originally Posted by Abbinc83
Just by changing the cylinder you can increase the cubic inch displacement so that would be considered the bottom half of your engine including the cylinders, pistons and crank shaft. The cam is part of the top end witch is your cam and valves in the heads. The lobes on the cam opens and closes the valves so changing the cam gives you more lift keeping the valve open longer increasing intake and exhaust timing but nothing to do with displacement. hope that helps some.
Changing the cylinders has nothing to do with the bottom half. It is considered the top half. The crank is not changed in a basic big bore kit. Changing the "jugs"(cylinders) is doing work on the top end. I just "big bored" my UC, and it didn't involve anything to do with the crank. They don't even change your rods. Here's what comes in the 103 Big Bore kit, and it's all in the top end. The difference in the Big Bore Stage I and II is, the 2 comes with cams, the 1 doesn't. I love how uninformed people try to give knowledge they don't have.
http://www.harley-davidson.com/gma/g...bmLocale=en_US
 

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ok I guess I stand corrected I was thinking in terms of a car engine
 
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So these explanations confuse me. Simply put, cubic inches (103 vs 96 etc) is determined by cylinder bore and piston stoke. A cam determines valve lift and duration, or how high and how long a valve stays open.
 
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I still haven't figured out how they made the 88's into the 96's..

But I think they do have cams....
 

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Wow , I am confused and I have one. All I know it sounds and runs better than it did with the 96. LOL.
 



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