Ama? Wtf?
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Keep out of CA. That whole state, there's something wrong with it. There's a city that was proposing banning meat on fridays. A whole city! Their laws are rediculious, you notice everything has a sticker that says "the state of CA has found that lead may be cancer causing, and htis product was made iwth soldier that may contain lead" on it.
THIS COMING FROM A DUDE IN A STATE WHERE
"All fire hydrants must be checked one hour before all fires. (Danville)"
"Any motorist who sights a team of horses coming toward him must pull well off the road, cover his car with a blanket or canvas that blends with the countryside, and let the horses pass. If the horses appear skittish, the motorist must take his car apart, piece by piece, and hide it under the nearest bushes. "
"Any motorist driving along a country road at night must stop every mile and send up a rocket signal,
wait 10 minutes for the road to be cleared of livestock, and continue."
"It is illegal to have over 16 women live in a house together because that constitutes a brothel.
However up to 120 men can live together, without breaking the law. "(AND THEY SAY CALI HAS ALL THE GAYS
)CHECK IT OUT I CAN GOOGLE DUMB LAWS TOO HAHAHAHA
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Road Master
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From: Far (FAR) West Texas
well, one thing is for sure: I clearly misunderstood the AMA's position on the CA Gov's pipe law and I blew up a little too quick - acting on my own misunderstanding. Many of the posts that responded to this thread helped show me that, as well as the AMA's response this morning to my message to them (sent last night).
Because I started this chit, I feel that its only right to share their response with you. I'm a little embarrassed that I flew off the handle with my own bad info - but what the hell, aint the first time won't be the last I suppose.
My membership with AMA will remain in effect. I did learn about some other great organizations as well though - and thanks to the posters who shared 'em.
Here's the AMA response that I received via email this morning:
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Dean,
Good morning. Thank you for your email. I do certainly understand your feelings on Mr. Schwarzenegger being named as Motorcyclist of the Year. There are a few points we would like to share with you that will hopefully clarify why we decided to do so. I am also forwarding you the press release about the decision as well so you may take a look at it if you would like to.
Gov. Schwarzenegger was chosen for 2010 because his action of signing SB 435, the Motorcycle Anti-Tampering Act, will have a profoundly negative impact on motorcyclists and the aftermarket industry, not just in California, but nationwide.
The law, which requires an EPA stamp on any motorcycle exhaust system made after Jan, 1, 2013 in the state, is discriminatory because it is a defacto mandate for most riders that will require them to buy an OEM replacement exhaust to comply. Car and truck drivers can still go to their local muffler shop and buy/install a non-EPA stamped muffler for a much less expensive repair. The law is discriminatory because many aftermarket exhaust
manufacturers may not have the resources to conduct the model-by-model tests required to certify an EPA stamp on their exhaust systems. Many motorcycle models are produced in low volume (compared to cars), which is strong incentive for aftermarket manufacturers not to offer any alternative to an OEM exhaust when it comes time for replacement.
The law is a poor solution to excessive motorcycle sound because it does not test the sound level of a motorcycle. An EPA certification label is no guarantee of sound compliance, and the lack of a label is no guarantee that an exhaust is too loud. The only way to know if a motorcycle exhaust is compliant is to test its actual sound output. Law enforcement officers will not want to enforce the new law because it may require them to get down on their hands and knees to find the stamp, a dangerous thing to do when a rider is stopped along the side of the road. Gov. Schwarzenegger's action will likely encourage other states to follow California's lead and enact the same legislation, thus affecting millions of rider's nationwide.
Here is the press release about the MOTY if you would like to look at it. If you still wish to cancel, please let me know.
http://www.americanmotorcyclist.com/news/story.asp?id=2404
Thank You,
Angie
Membership Services Representative
American Motorcyclist Association
13515 Yarmouth Drive
Pickerington, OH 43147
1-800-AMA-JOIN
1-614-856-1900 ext 1253
1-614-856-1931 Fax
amiller@ama-cycle.org
Because I started this chit, I feel that its only right to share their response with you. I'm a little embarrassed that I flew off the handle with my own bad info - but what the hell, aint the first time won't be the last I suppose.
My membership with AMA will remain in effect. I did learn about some other great organizations as well though - and thanks to the posters who shared 'em.
Here's the AMA response that I received via email this morning:
------------------------------------
Dean,
Good morning. Thank you for your email. I do certainly understand your feelings on Mr. Schwarzenegger being named as Motorcyclist of the Year. There are a few points we would like to share with you that will hopefully clarify why we decided to do so. I am also forwarding you the press release about the decision as well so you may take a look at it if you would like to.
Gov. Schwarzenegger was chosen for 2010 because his action of signing SB 435, the Motorcycle Anti-Tampering Act, will have a profoundly negative impact on motorcyclists and the aftermarket industry, not just in California, but nationwide.
The law, which requires an EPA stamp on any motorcycle exhaust system made after Jan, 1, 2013 in the state, is discriminatory because it is a defacto mandate for most riders that will require them to buy an OEM replacement exhaust to comply. Car and truck drivers can still go to their local muffler shop and buy/install a non-EPA stamped muffler for a much less expensive repair. The law is discriminatory because many aftermarket exhaust
manufacturers may not have the resources to conduct the model-by-model tests required to certify an EPA stamp on their exhaust systems. Many motorcycle models are produced in low volume (compared to cars), which is strong incentive for aftermarket manufacturers not to offer any alternative to an OEM exhaust when it comes time for replacement.
The law is a poor solution to excessive motorcycle sound because it does not test the sound level of a motorcycle. An EPA certification label is no guarantee of sound compliance, and the lack of a label is no guarantee that an exhaust is too loud. The only way to know if a motorcycle exhaust is compliant is to test its actual sound output. Law enforcement officers will not want to enforce the new law because it may require them to get down on their hands and knees to find the stamp, a dangerous thing to do when a rider is stopped along the side of the road. Gov. Schwarzenegger's action will likely encourage other states to follow California's lead and enact the same legislation, thus affecting millions of rider's nationwide.
Here is the press release about the MOTY if you would like to look at it. If you still wish to cancel, please let me know.
http://www.americanmotorcyclist.com/news/story.asp?id=2404
Thank You,
Angie
Membership Services Representative
American Motorcyclist Association
13515 Yarmouth Drive
Pickerington, OH 43147
1-800-AMA-JOIN
1-614-856-1900 ext 1253
1-614-856-1931 Fax
amiller@ama-cycle.org
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From: Michigan
Hey Dean,
Thanks for being a man about it. I was also upset when I read the article in the magazine, but after reading it again, I thought about it and saw the light. I was going to respond to your post about that, but ya beat me to it. Now, can we go back to riding along the beach, having a cold one and watching the natural beuty walk by? It's 10 deg here in Michigan.
Thanks for being a man about it. I was also upset when I read the article in the magazine, but after reading it again, I thought about it and saw the light. I was going to respond to your post about that, but ya beat me to it. Now, can we go back to riding along the beach, having a cold one and watching the natural beuty walk by? It's 10 deg here in Michigan.
Road Master
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From: Fair Oaks, Caliphornia
This has been one of the most interesting threads on loud pipes I've read yet. After reading the article, I can see why the AMA did what it did. I was born and raised here and like it here. I've also lived in other states and countries and love it here for many reasons, one of which is some of the best riding to be found is here (and year-round too). Bashing a state has no more redeeming quality than bashing another brand of bike that other people like and enjoy. Every state has stupid laws if you stop and take a look (and Texas is no exception)!!!
I agree the law sucks and is extremely discrimitory as cages aren't subject to the exact same law (even though a car can be cited for pipes that are too loud as well). All mufflers comply or they don't. Testing and inspecting motorcycle parts will be next to impossible and most LEOs will not bother a bike unless it's totally obnoxious and who out there should be allowed to be obnoxious to the public in general. I plan to get an exhaust system that is a bit louder than what I have and will be able to do that easily with or without an EPA stamp. Caliphornia has some really over the top liberal laws and courts, but like anywhere else, enforcing such a law will be problematic at best. A really good example is the driving while using a handheld phone law. Very few people get cited over it, yet we all know how dangerous talking on the phone is to all riders, regardless of how loud your pipes are!!!
The AMA does a lot for riding. Oh by the way, I have 2 sisters, one lives in Missouri and the other in Texas. That's just the way it goes sometimes.
I agree the law sucks and is extremely discrimitory as cages aren't subject to the exact same law (even though a car can be cited for pipes that are too loud as well). All mufflers comply or they don't. Testing and inspecting motorcycle parts will be next to impossible and most LEOs will not bother a bike unless it's totally obnoxious and who out there should be allowed to be obnoxious to the public in general. I plan to get an exhaust system that is a bit louder than what I have and will be able to do that easily with or without an EPA stamp. Caliphornia has some really over the top liberal laws and courts, but like anywhere else, enforcing such a law will be problematic at best. A really good example is the driving while using a handheld phone law. Very few people get cited over it, yet we all know how dangerous talking on the phone is to all riders, regardless of how loud your pipes are!!!
The AMA does a lot for riding. Oh by the way, I have 2 sisters, one lives in Missouri and the other in Texas. That's just the way it goes sometimes.
Last edited by Motorbones; Dec 16, 2010 at 10:37 AM.
If anyone had taken the time to read the article, you would have seen that the AMA was against this law as unreasonable for a number of reasons. For one thing, a rider could modify an EPA exhaust by changing/removing the baffles and still meet the letter of the law. Changing the baffle defeats the whole purpose of the law which was to quiet down motorcycles with excessively loud exhausts.
The AMA has been proposing for some time a sound level test as this would allow aftermarket or non-EPA stamped systems to be legal. There is a standardized test method that they recommend. They even have written some draft language that could be used in a regulation if desired.
AMA's position has been for some time that loud pipes are eventually going to cause all motorcycle riders and dealers problems. That is why they have been trying to convince riders not to put excessively loud exhaust systems on street bikes.
Arnold Schwarzenegger was named because his signing this bill into law was chosen as the most significant action that very well could affect all motorcyclists across the country, not that his action was pro-motorcycle. They pointed out that California laws have been adapted by other government agencies and this law could well spread to other parts of the country.
Whether you want to believe it or not, motorcycle riding is a privilege, just like driving a car. That privilege can be taken away from you. There are a lot more non-riders that do not like the loud exhausts that some riders seem to think they have the "right" to use regardless of how it affects everyone else.
The AMA has been proposing for some time a sound level test as this would allow aftermarket or non-EPA stamped systems to be legal. There is a standardized test method that they recommend. They even have written some draft language that could be used in a regulation if desired.
AMA's position has been for some time that loud pipes are eventually going to cause all motorcycle riders and dealers problems. That is why they have been trying to convince riders not to put excessively loud exhaust systems on street bikes.
Arnold Schwarzenegger was named because his signing this bill into law was chosen as the most significant action that very well could affect all motorcyclists across the country, not that his action was pro-motorcycle. They pointed out that California laws have been adapted by other government agencies and this law could well spread to other parts of the country.
Whether you want to believe it or not, motorcycle riding is a privilege, just like driving a car. That privilege can be taken away from you. There are a lot more non-riders that do not like the loud exhausts that some riders seem to think they have the "right" to use regardless of how it affects everyone else.
So, AMA is against the law, and states that CA enacting the law means identical regulations could be adopted by other states. Excessive regulation or just plain sloppy legislation is a bad thing.
So therefor this law being signed into place would be a bad thing, right?
But naming someone a "Person Of The Year" is an acclamation. So shouldn't it be reserved for someone having/enacting a POSITIVE effect on the overall state of things?
I'm not against AMA, but this does seem to be some weird-*** logic.
They're giving him an award for doing something they were against? I don't get that part.
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California banned loud pipes so bikers don't frighten the folks on medical marijuana. This would include most of population. But I digress...ABATE is about the best at preserving the rights of motorcyclists.
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I get pretty sick of people telling me what "privileges" I am allowed to have.
FU!
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From: Southern California
California used to be a great place to live and work. It's not any more, and I say this as a life long California resident. The residents/voters in California are it's own worst enemy, and nothing is going to change in the near future. I hate that my once great state has fallen into such disrepair. It makes me sick.
By the way, there are already laws on the books in California covering loud exhausts and excessive noise. I can imagine most other states have similar laws. Why do we need more regulations?
By the way, there are already laws on the books in California covering loud exhausts and excessive noise. I can imagine most other states have similar laws. Why do we need more regulations?