Counter steering
Road Master
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RE: Counter steering
ORIGINAL: whaap
If you're being serious, take the experienced course. The basic course is designed for people who have never sat on a motorcycle before.
If you're not being serious that's o.k.
ORIGINAL: chopperz71
Dang! After 6 years of riding I am not sure if I really know how. After 20K on bikes do yall think I would benefit from the MSF course? Beginner or experienced?
Dang! After 6 years of riding I am not sure if I really know how. After 20K on bikes do yall think I would benefit from the MSF course? Beginner or experienced?
If you're not being serious that's o.k.
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RE: Counter steering
ORIGINAL: Eyespy
If by "gyro Effect", you are referring to gyroscopic precession, it's relevance to countersteering is between none and negligable
ORIGINAL: Unamed
Someones gonna have to help that dude pic up his bike
Hes got strong elbows tho[8D]
If you look at the rake on your bike you can see how counter steering works. since the forks dont descend in a straight line to the ground. you see what is happening when the wheel is pivoted. then you add to that equation the gyro effect which others have already talked about and blamo! You countersteering!!
Funny thing I have noticed, handlebar shape plays a big role in the ease of countersteering. My new RK has those wierd wrist tweeker handlebars, hard as hell to feel natural pushing. i need my nuckles to the wind more. Im going with some 12" apes i think.
Bet beachbars make it feel even wierder!
ORIGINAL: vegashd
Exactly, it will provide the abillity to turn the bike in a tighter turn with less lean angle.
ORIGINAL: Peekaboo Bob
Shifting body weight only affects the CG, which when done properly allows the bike to corner with less lean angle. Basically you are just using your own body as a counterweight. It's a good technique when exploring the limits of traction.
Shifting body weight only affects the CG, which when done properly allows the bike to corner with less lean angle. Basically you are just using your own body as a counterweight. It's a good technique when exploring the limits of traction.
Hes got strong elbows tho[8D]
If you look at the rake on your bike you can see how counter steering works. since the forks dont descend in a straight line to the ground. you see what is happening when the wheel is pivoted. then you add to that equation the gyro effect which others have already talked about and blamo! You countersteering!!
Funny thing I have noticed, handlebar shape plays a big role in the ease of countersteering. My new RK has those wierd wrist tweeker handlebars, hard as hell to feel natural pushing. i need my nuckles to the wind more. Im going with some 12" apes i think.
Bet beachbars make it feel even wierder!
Road Warrior
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From: Southern California High Desert, here and there....
RE: Counter steering
ORIGINAL: Unamed
Lol well I dont know that word you used but I am talking about the effect that keeps the motorbike from falling over. this is also the same effect that will assit you in a turn. take a bike tire and get it spinning fast while holding the hub, now turn it jsut a little. you will feel the pull. that is the force i am talking about. Hard to say that that force has no influence on counter steering. Seeing its what keeps your motorbike from just falling over and killing you and a whole slew of small animals
ORIGINAL: Eyespy
If by "gyro Effect", you are referring to gyroscopic precession, it's relevance to countersteering is between none and negligable
ORIGINAL: Unamed
Someones gonna have to help that dude pic up his bike
Hes got strong elbows tho[8D]
If you look at the rake on your bike you can see how counter steering works. since the forks dont descend in a straight line to the ground. you see what is happening when the wheel is pivoted. then you add to that equation the gyro effect which others have already talked about and blamo! You countersteering!!
Funny thing I have noticed, handlebar shape plays a big role in the ease of countersteering. My new RK has those wierd wrist tweeker handlebars, hard as hell to feel natural pushing. i need my nuckles to the wind more. Im going with some 12" apes i think.
Bet beachbars make it feel even wierder!
ORIGINAL: vegashd
Exactly, it will provide the abillity to turn the bike in a tighter turn with less lean angle.
ORIGINAL: Peekaboo Bob
Shifting body weight only affects the CG, which when done properly allows the bike to corner with less lean angle. Basically you are just using your own body as a counterweight. It's a good technique when exploring the limits of traction.
Shifting body weight only affects the CG, which when done properly allows the bike to corner with less lean angle. Basically you are just using your own body as a counterweight. It's a good technique when exploring the limits of traction.
Hes got strong elbows tho[8D]
If you look at the rake on your bike you can see how counter steering works. since the forks dont descend in a straight line to the ground. you see what is happening when the wheel is pivoted. then you add to that equation the gyro effect which others have already talked about and blamo! You countersteering!!
Funny thing I have noticed, handlebar shape plays a big role in the ease of countersteering. My new RK has those wierd wrist tweeker handlebars, hard as hell to feel natural pushing. i need my nuckles to the wind more. Im going with some 12" apes i think.
Bet beachbars make it feel even wierder!
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RE: Counter steering
I go to a bar called the Long Horn. It`s a very long bar & the bartop or counter is in the shape of a Texas Longhorn. Once a year , after 4 free drinks we lift our bikes up on the bar & counter steer. Then we all drive home & never think about counter steering till the next year`s contest.
The class I suggest some people take is called "If you`re writting a scientific paper, take the riding class & write a thesis on it " class.
Malcom Forbes of "The Capitalist Pigs" gave me this pin of one of his hot air balloons. I believe it`s 250 feet long. The protrusion on the bottom is the gondola where one would ride in. He didn`t worry about counter steering. He rode with the wind.
The class I suggest some people take is called "If you`re writting a scientific paper, take the riding class & write a thesis on it " class.
Malcom Forbes of "The Capitalist Pigs" gave me this pin of one of his hot air balloons. I believe it`s 250 feet long. The protrusion on the bottom is the gondola where one would ride in. He didn`t worry about counter steering. He rode with the wind.
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RE: Counter steering
I'm not a physics professor but I do know that thecentrifugal force and resultant gyroscopic effect of the spinning wheels and tires is what keeps the motorcycle up at speeds faster than feet on the ground and careful balance.
Once you impart a force against the motorcycle, the centrifugal force/gyro effects of the wheels will try to right themselves That is where the "magic" of countersteering occurs. Many a rider has gotten away with steering by the weight of his pants through mere counter-balancing and hes probably gotten away with it for so long that they feel as htough they need to know no more. That's all well and good until a dog runs out in front of them,a car pulls out unexpectedly or they find themselves too hot and too deep into a curve. These will typically result in the "Had to lay 'er down..." line.
Countersteering is the proper way to ride once the centrifugal force/gyroscopic of the wheels and tires is greater than the gravitational force required to tip the bike over.
Once you impart a force against the motorcycle, the centrifugal force/gyro effects of the wheels will try to right themselves That is where the "magic" of countersteering occurs. Many a rider has gotten away with steering by the weight of his pants through mere counter-balancing and hes probably gotten away with it for so long that they feel as htough they need to know no more. That's all well and good until a dog runs out in front of them,a car pulls out unexpectedly or they find themselves too hot and too deep into a curve. These will typically result in the "Had to lay 'er down..." line.
Countersteering is the proper way to ride once the centrifugal force/gyroscopic of the wheels and tires is greater than the gravitational force required to tip the bike over.
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From: Dover, Oh
RE: Counter steering
Wow old thread!!!
Heres a pic from about the age I started racing
Heres a pic from about the age I started racing
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Road Warrior
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From: Southern California High Desert, here and there....
RE: Counter steering
ORIGINAL: Jehu
I'm not a physics professor but I do know that thecentrifugal force and resultant gyroscopic effect of the spinning wheels and tires is what keeps the motorcycle up at speeds faster than feet on the ground and careful balance.
Once you impart a force against the motorcycle, the centrifugal force/gyro effects of the wheels will try to right themselves That is where the "magic" of countersteering occurs. Many a rider has gotten away with steering by the weight of his pants through mere counter-balancing and hes probably gotten away with it for so long that they feel as htough they need to know no more. That's all well and good until a dog runs out in front of them,a car pulls out unexpectedly or they find themselves too hot and too deep into a curve. These will typically result in the "Had to lay 'er down..." line.
Countersteering is the proper way to ride once the centrifugal force/gyroscopic of the wheels and tires is greater than the gravitational force required to tip the bike over.
I'm not a physics professor but I do know that thecentrifugal force and resultant gyroscopic effect of the spinning wheels and tires is what keeps the motorcycle up at speeds faster than feet on the ground and careful balance.
Once you impart a force against the motorcycle, the centrifugal force/gyro effects of the wheels will try to right themselves That is where the "magic" of countersteering occurs. Many a rider has gotten away with steering by the weight of his pants through mere counter-balancing and hes probably gotten away with it for so long that they feel as htough they need to know no more. That's all well and good until a dog runs out in front of them,a car pulls out unexpectedly or they find themselves too hot and too deep into a curve. These will typically result in the "Had to lay 'er down..." line.
Countersteering is the proper way to ride once the centrifugal force/gyroscopic of the wheels and tires is greater than the gravitational force required to tip the bike over.
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