Kill a motorcyclist and don't even get a ticket???
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From: SW Michigan
Police responded to the crash scene just before 5 p.m. Saturday near 43rd Avenue and Bell Road after receiving reports of a collision with serious injuries.
A man and woman were traveling eastbound on Bell Road on a 1995 Harley Davidson motorcycle when police say a driver failed to yield and made a left-hand turn in front of the victims.
Kimmy Chapman, 55, was killed and an unidentified man was taken to the hospital with serious injuries. He is listed in critical condition.
"Police say neither person was wearing a helmet.
Investigators say the 22-year-old driver of the vehicle was not impaired at the time of the crash. "He is not expected to be charged because he wasn't negligent."
WTF.......FAILURE TO YIELD THE RIGHT OF WAY THAT CAUSED A FATILITY IS NOT
NEGLIGENT IN PHOENIX........WTF This makes me sad for very personal reasons
A man and woman were traveling eastbound on Bell Road on a 1995 Harley Davidson motorcycle when police say a driver failed to yield and made a left-hand turn in front of the victims.
Kimmy Chapman, 55, was killed and an unidentified man was taken to the hospital with serious injuries. He is listed in critical condition.
"Police say neither person was wearing a helmet.
Investigators say the 22-year-old driver of the vehicle was not impaired at the time of the crash. "He is not expected to be charged because he wasn't negligent."
WTF.......FAILURE TO YIELD THE RIGHT OF WAY THAT CAUSED A FATILITY IS NOT
NEGLIGENT IN PHOENIX........WTF This makes me sad for very personal reasons
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Sad news and my condolonces to family and friends.
But to jump on the band wagon and try to hang the driver of the car is wrong. Without witnessing the accident how can you jump to conclusions of fault? The article surely doesn't give enough detail to make any conclusion.
But to jump on the band wagon and try to hang the driver of the car is wrong. Without witnessing the accident how can you jump to conclusions of fault? The article surely doesn't give enough detail to make any conclusion.
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To be honest, if i died like this, and the driver of the cage was not drunk, doped up and it was not road rage, personally i do not wish the law to further ruin their life, i will be dead and it just wont fix anything. And my family has been told NOT to sue..they know how i feel about freaking law suits, they have ruined this nation.
Unless negligence can be shown. I don't think that most people would intentionally turn left in front of a motorcyclist to harm them.
If the person is not on a cell phone or texting or eating or something, you know, accidents happen and by riding a bike you are making yourself more vulnerable and the results more severe. and people really just do not see you a lot of the time, or seriously misjudge distance.
I pray for these people and their families.
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From: SW Michigan
Sad news and my condolonces to family and friends.
But to jump on the band wagon and try to hang the driver of the car is wrong. Without witnessing the accident how can you jump to conclusions of fault? The article surely doesn't give enough detail to make any conclusion.
But to jump on the band wagon and try to hang the driver of the car is wrong. Without witnessing the accident how can you jump to conclusions of fault? The article surely doesn't give enough detail to make any conclusion.
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From: Wisconsin, USA
lot of blind people driving
I am an optometrist in WI. I have many documented cases of people who have very bad vision, and are not caught by the DMV because our renewal period is an idiotic 8 years (it used to be 4 until the mid 90's). When someone kills a biker, all the cops do is check the license to see if it is restricted for glasses. They make no effort to investigate when their last exam was or give them a citation to see if they were negligent in not being corrected properly. Less time investigating then for parking tickets. I assume every driver has 20/100 vision and can't see me. Many bikers tell me after accidents, the driver made eye contact with them, so they thought it was safe to proceed. Wrong. They were looking in your direction, not necessarily making eye contact. Go to http://www.americanmotorcyclist.com/membership/join if you want to lobby for stiffer penalties for killing bikers. I do agree we assume the risk, and can't always fault drivers, but they are frequently dumber than you can ever predict, and do deserve punishment some times.
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The article stated that the 22 yr old driver "FAILED TO YIELD THE RIGHT OF WAY" What more needs to be said????........... again "THE DRIVER FAILED TO YIELD THE RIGHT OF WAY" What other conclusions can to be jumped to???? A person is dead because the driver failed to yield the right of way that caused their death. Is that jumping to a conclusion or is that plain English leaving nothing to interpretation
You do that here in Michigan and that is vehicular homicide and thats a felony
When I read the article I made an assumption that since the driver wasn't cited, that there must have been other circumstances that may have contributed to the accident.
Out of respect for those involved I will not argue my opinion any further.
Biker down....been there.
Deepest condolences to the families of these good folks. It's one of the reasons I carry an attorney in my back pocket wherever I go. I know it won't bring anyone back from the dead but when I took a spill last year they came in handy. A motorist left a stop sign without seeing me coming, I went down hard and they fled. The attorney has helped me with the insurance company, doctors, getting an MRI appointment in a week (the doctor told me the wait was 10-12 months) and will be indespensable when it comes time to settle the matter. Say what you want about lawyers but I won't be without one. To anyone that's been hurt while riding, I feel your pain...still do.
Ride safe
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Ride safe
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From: Central Wisconsin
Does anyone from AZ know if they do a "reconstruction" of the fatal crashes; if so I would guess they will wait for the reconstruction report before deciding what charge may be appropriate. It usually takes a high degree of negligence to result in a criminal charge. Even a determination that the young person was on the cell phone could have a big impact on the out come of this case.
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From: SW Michigan
I agree.
Unless negligence can be shown. I don't think that most people would intentionally turn left in front of a motorcyclist to harm them.
If the person is not on a cell phone or texting or eating or something, you know, accidents happen and by riding a bike you are making yourself more vulnerable and the results more severe. and people really just do not see you a lot of the time, or seriously misjudge distance.
I pray for these people and their families.
Unless negligence can be shown. I don't think that most people would intentionally turn left in front of a motorcyclist to harm them.
If the person is not on a cell phone or texting or eating or something, you know, accidents happen and by riding a bike you are making yourself more vulnerable and the results more severe. and people really just do not see you a lot of the time, or seriously misjudge distance.
I pray for these people and their families.
If the driver that took me out wasn't on the phone or texting or eating or something, you know, what good reason can there be for him hitting me other than negligence...none!!!
Having penalties for negligent bad drivers that cause fatalities makes the highways safer for all of us
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There is always negligence, accidents are chock full of negligence that is what an accident is. Driver neglected to pay full attention, neglected to see the motorcycle, I don't know what happened at that light other than 1 is dead, another may die and a third has many many many very long sleepless nights to play it over in their head and second guess, what Ida, I should haves, I wishes. If this driver has any conscience this is how it will be. Agian not taking up for the cager, just throwing out my thoughts.