Kill a motorcyclist and don't even get a ticket???
But you absolutely can not say that hi viz clothing might not have helped.
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Well I can and I do. Hi-Viz clothing doesn't make that much difference at a distance during daylight hours, especially when it is blocked by handlerbars, a windshield, or a fairing.
As I said if they can't see a glowing headlight their not going to see a Hi-Viz vest.
hey, it's your skin.
but I still maintain that if you are going to dress like road camo, you are being negligent with your own safety. And if that's your right, as it is, I don't think that it is always right to blame a driver who didn't see us.
Again, not speaking specifically about the people hurt and killed refered to in the OP.
But this also does bring up the idea of manslaughter and its relation to protective gear and helmets though.
I think this is a good discussion, but out of respect for the deceased and injured, if you want to talk about my ideas more, how about we start a separate thread?
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From: Central Fl
Man im turely sorry to hear this news, but i have something to say.
Riding a Motorcycle is dangerous, people do not see you, you can die at any time while riding. Im not excusing the cagers, but i am saying that, as a motorcycle rider you have taken a huge risk and you have accepted that risk, its just fact. If you have not accepted that risk, you need to go sit down someplace and put some real Fing thought into it before riding agian.
To be honest, if i died like this, and the driver of the cage was not drunk, doped up and it was not road rage, personally i do not wish the law to further ruin their life, i will be dead and it just wont fix anything. And my family has been told NOT to sue..they know how i feel about freaking law suits, they have ruined this nation.
Riding a Motorcycle is dangerous, people do not see you, you can die at any time while riding. Im not excusing the cagers, but i am saying that, as a motorcycle rider you have taken a huge risk and you have accepted that risk, its just fact. If you have not accepted that risk, you need to go sit down someplace and put some real Fing thought into it before riding agian.
To be honest, if i died like this, and the driver of the cage was not drunk, doped up and it was not road rage, personally i do not wish the law to further ruin their life, i will be dead and it just wont fix anything. And my family has been told NOT to sue..they know how i feel about freaking law suits, they have ruined this nation.
I agree completely.........
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From: Dirty City
The only way to not see the motorcyclist is to rush the turn, or to have vision problems. Period.
Either of these are negligent and he should go to jail for what he's done, assuming no fault on the part of the motorcyclist (such as speeding). Why shouldn't his life be ruined? He killed someone.
Either of these are negligent and he should go to jail for what he's done, assuming no fault on the part of the motorcyclist (such as speeding). Why shouldn't his life be ruined? He killed someone.
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Several years ago, I got hit by someone running a stop sign. She got a failure to yield ticket, $350 + court costs and 2 points on her license. I got 3 broken ribs, a punctured lung, bruised heart, cuts, scrapes, bruises, a ruined bike, and my left leg amputated. I was off work from March till November and was either in the hospital or rehab till July. I got a grand total of nothing but my bike fixed because she had nothing to get. If you're in a bad accident, you are not going to get a fair shake legally or otherwise. I was in a line of traffic on a 4 lane divided highway and she blew a stop sign going 60 on a county road that intersected the 4 lane. She actually crossed 2 lanes, the median, and one more lane to get to me. Me=east bound in the right lane, car ahead, car behind traveling 65. She=South bound on a 2 lane doing 60 and the bitch swerved right to miss the car in front of me. $350 and that cleared it up for her, and my leg isn't ever going to grow back.
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From: Newark OH
So everyone of you that are screaming send him to jail he's negligent he caused the crash yadda yadda has never EVER make a mistake ever when driving or riding? You've never been distracted while talking to a passenger, on the phone, the gps or tuning the radio? Common now lets be realistic and serious here.
If he wasn't on his cell, etc then it sounds like he made a tragic MISTAKE, NOT neglegence, Being negligent would be messing with the radio, texting, talking on the cell or some other distraction.
Sorry I look for bikes, even moreso since I started riding. There have been MANY times that a bike has blended into the surrounding environment, both coming towards me, and going away from me. Look at just how small of a cross section and profile a bike has when viewed directly from the front or rear, especially when both of you are moving. How many cars have daytime running lights on, that actually cause motorcycles to blend in more or seem much further away?
Why don't yall put he pitchforks and torches away, morn the loss of a fellow rider in a tragic accident, and have some sympathy for the man who now has to live the rest of his life knowing he caused the death of an innocent rider, and wait for the full facts (if the media can ever do that right) to come out.
If he wasn't on his cell, etc then it sounds like he made a tragic MISTAKE, NOT neglegence, Being negligent would be messing with the radio, texting, talking on the cell or some other distraction.
Sorry I look for bikes, even moreso since I started riding. There have been MANY times that a bike has blended into the surrounding environment, both coming towards me, and going away from me. Look at just how small of a cross section and profile a bike has when viewed directly from the front or rear, especially when both of you are moving. How many cars have daytime running lights on, that actually cause motorcycles to blend in more or seem much further away?
Why don't yall put he pitchforks and torches away, morn the loss of a fellow rider in a tragic accident, and have some sympathy for the man who now has to live the rest of his life knowing he caused the death of an innocent rider, and wait for the full facts (if the media can ever do that right) to come out.
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From: Milton Mills NH
With out seeing the police report, I will not pass judgment. The bike could have been part of the problem, we weren't there, we dont know. A case like this can go on for quite a while, the article stated " He is not expected to be charged because he wasn't negligent",the key word here is "expected", that doesn't mean once the investigation is complete charges aren't coming.
As stated above,we as motorcycle drivers must be ever so vigilant, the bike rider may have been talking to his passenger ,changing the radio etc, too many reasons to list. Obviously a lot of variables in this case. Not sticking up for the driver, if the bike is cleared of any wrong, then I agree, the car driver should be charged. Let's try to follow this case so at least we will know for sure what the outcome was.
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As stated above,we as motorcycle drivers must be ever so vigilant, the bike rider may have been talking to his passenger ,changing the radio etc, too many reasons to list. Obviously a lot of variables in this case. Not sticking up for the driver, if the bike is cleared of any wrong, then I agree, the car driver should be charged. Let's try to follow this case so at least we will know for sure what the outcome was.
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That is how the public at large views it...even the cops investigating the accident...probably part of the reason the driver is not being charged.
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The Phoenix Police finally came out and let the press know that they are still investigating the crash. Once they complete this, they will then release what they found and if any charges will be filed. So it is my fault of jumping the gun on it and for that I am sorry.
Sorry if this hit some nerves on people, but it has definitely hit mine and many others in the motorcycle community. There have been way too many deaths (both in cars and motorcycles) due to people not being aware of what is going on while they are driving. Until people open their eyes, turn their heads and not rely on just small mirrors to see traffic, accidents like this will continue to happen.
Sorry if this hit some nerves on people, but it has definitely hit mine and many others in the motorcycle community. There have been way too many deaths (both in cars and motorcycles) due to people not being aware of what is going on while they are driving. Until people open their eyes, turn their heads and not rely on just small mirrors to see traffic, accidents like this will continue to happen.
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My wife gets a red light camera ticket for going through a stop light 0.5 seconds late and 13 mph UNDER the speed limit in rush hour stop and go traffic and has to pay a big fine and go to traffic survival school. This clown fails to yield, kills someone and badly injures another, and doesn't even get a ticket? What's wrong with this picture?
RIP Kimmy and get well soon Tapper!
RIP Kimmy and get well soon Tapper!