Let The Checkpoints Begin...
Extreme HDF Member
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From: Blairsville GA
Daddysnuck, you need to move to Communist China. You'd be right at home. We are AMERICANS where the Founding Fathers fought and died ( and so did my father) for the freedoms we are giving up daily. Those freedoms include the RIGHT to travel in this country unimpeded by PUBLIC SERVANTS unless they have PROBABLE CAUSE to stop, question, and search us.
I would submit that roving checkpoints stopping all vehicles IS a violation of the 4th Amendment; just read it.
I would submit that roving checkpoints stopping all vehicles IS a violation of the 4th Amendment; just read it.
In the absence of having anything worthwhile to add to the discussion you decide to go to something (you think) you're good at. Take it from me, you're not.
I take it you're a real patriotic kind of guy? "Founding Fathers", "fought and died", etc., etc. You failed to mention any military service of your own. Was that modesty or did you just become patriotic after your own time to serve was past? Not surprisingly you earlier posted a link to an Alex Jones video. Make sure you don't run low on tin foil hats.
Road Master
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From: SE Michigan
Worthwhile?
Communist China, I like that.
In the absence of having anything worthwhile to add to the discussion you decide to go to something (you think) you're good at. Take it from me, you're not.
I take it you're a real patriotic kind of guy? "Founding Fathers", "fought and died", etc., etc. You failed to mention any military service of your own. Was that modesty or did you just become patriotic after your own time to serve was past? Not surprisingly you earlier posted a link to an Alex Jones video. Make sure you don't run low on tin foil hats.
In the absence of having anything worthwhile to add to the discussion you decide to go to something (you think) you're good at. Take it from me, you're not.
I take it you're a real patriotic kind of guy? "Founding Fathers", "fought and died", etc., etc. You failed to mention any military service of your own. Was that modesty or did you just become patriotic after your own time to serve was past? Not surprisingly you earlier posted a link to an Alex Jones video. Make sure you don't run low on tin foil hats.
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From: Blairsville GA
You seem to be ADHD, is that why you never served? By the way, can you point out where I said the Constitution wasn't worthwhile?
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From: USA
The Fed gives the state ca$h grant$ to fund the safety checkpoints. The revenue generated fr citations is kept for local budgets with no repayment to the Feds required. Its free money and permission slip to violate civil liberties under the guise of "safety". Bikers are easy pickings, they often just accept profiling, poor or denied services, and unlawful tactics/treatment by LE. Bikers for the most part will not speak up and defend our constitutional rights and the general public has a poor opinion of bikers anyway so... no help from Joe Public across the street. The US Defender program gives us a unified front and the tools and knowledge to fight for our liberties. Join up.
Road Warrior
Joined: Aug 2006
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Where did I say that I was giving up any rights? Do I have a right to refuse a legal request to identify myself and present a license and proof of insurance? Were the people ostensibly fined on the way to Daytona victims of secret laws that were newly enacted as a "money grab", or were they breaking existing laws and just unlucky enough to get caught?
I spent two years in the Fulda Gap and I don't recall anyone having to show "papers." In the East that of course was different, but I hope you're not attempting to stretch a safety check point into a comparison with the DDR.
How do you propose to "not give up your rights"?
I'll assume that your freedom fighting extends to larger efforts than bitching about it on the internet. However, if your activism takes a little longer than "right now" what are you going to do if stopped by the police? Are you going to tell them "you'll never take me alive copper." I'll bet you show them your license and whatever else they ask for. You have to pick your fights.
I spent two years in the Fulda Gap and I don't recall anyone having to show "papers." In the East that of course was different, but I hope you're not attempting to stretch a safety check point into a comparison with the DDR.
How do you propose to "not give up your rights"?
I'll assume that your freedom fighting extends to larger efforts than bitching about it on the internet. However, if your activism takes a little longer than "right now" what are you going to do if stopped by the police? Are you going to tell them "you'll never take me alive copper." I'll bet you show them your license and whatever else they ask for. You have to pick your fights.
As for being stopped by police why I corporate of course but I do not give up my rights and I fight and vote to keep them. Kind of like the feds telling me what I can eat and what I cant eat or how to raise my kids. I don't agree nor will I lay down and give up I will fight by voting and joining together with other s to keep my right to eat a Big Mac and smoke a Marlboro. As for the DDR and checkpoints I served from 74-77 in Germany and yes that's what it reminds me of. Thank You fro your service and I respectfully disagree.
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From: Blairsville GA
If you read my post I said Germany as in East and West before the wall went down. As for bitching I don't recall bitching about anything just posting on the forum like you did. I would have absolutely no problem talking or as you say bitching in person. You can find my info on http://www.massmotorcycle.org/ which I am a volunteer and member to help preserve our rights as motorcyclists.
As for being stopped by police why I corporate of course but I do not give up my rights and I fight and vote to keep them. Kind of like the feds telling me what I can eat and what I cant eat or how to raise my kids. I don't agree nor will I lay down and give up I will fight by voting and joining together with other s to keep my right to eat a Big Mac and smoke a Marlboro. As for the DDR and checkpoints I served from 74-77 in Germany and yes that's what it reminds me of. Thank You fro your service and I respectfully disagree.
As for being stopped by police why I corporate of course but I do not give up my rights and I fight and vote to keep them. Kind of like the feds telling me what I can eat and what I cant eat or how to raise my kids. I don't agree nor will I lay down and give up I will fight by voting and joining together with other s to keep my right to eat a Big Mac and smoke a Marlboro. As for the DDR and checkpoints I served from 74-77 in Germany and yes that's what it reminds me of. Thank You fro your service and I respectfully disagree.
Sorry dude your giving up your rights way to easy.
I'd like for anyone that is on the attack here to point out where I advocate submission to illegal activity by the government or the police. There is clearly a difference between resisting an illegal infringement on our rights and simply not liking things that are being done legally. If you want to smoke, as long as you do it where I don't have to smell it, go ahead. If you want to eat Big Macs, go ahead. I didn't think that was what this discussion was about.
I'm also missing any reasonable connection to my explanation of why the specific checkpoints in North Georgia are there and the fact that they have been going on for at least 30 years. I have first person experience in exactly these checkpoints around what is known locally as the Cooler. They occur several times a year, normally before a Holiday or after a high number of crashes/deaths. I don't particularly care one way or the other about them, but they are not for motorcycles only and they have been going on for long enough that if there was a basis for challenge they wouldn't be happening.
Road Warrior
Joined: Aug 2006
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Other than my not being a member of a motorcycle rights organization, how does my complying with the lawful requests of the police differ from how you describe you would act? If there isn't a difference why would you say I am giving up my rights?
I'd like for anyone that is on the attack here to point out where I advocate submission to illegal activity by the government or the police. There is clearly a difference between resisting an illegal infringement on our rights and simply not liking things that are being done legally. If you want to smoke, as long as you do it where I don't have to smell it, go ahead. If you want to eat Big Macs, go ahead. I didn't think that was what this discussion was about.
I'm also missing any reasonable connection to my explanation of why the specific checkpoints in North Georgia are there and the fact that they have been going on for at least 30 years. I have first person experience in exactly these checkpoints around what is known locally as the Cooler. They occur several times a year, normally before a Holiday or after a high number of crashes/deaths. I don't particularly care one way or the other about them, but they are not for motorcycles only and they have been going on for long enough that if there was a basis for challenge they wouldn't be happening.
I'd like for anyone that is on the attack here to point out where I advocate submission to illegal activity by the government or the police. There is clearly a difference between resisting an illegal infringement on our rights and simply not liking things that are being done legally. If you want to smoke, as long as you do it where I don't have to smell it, go ahead. If you want to eat Big Macs, go ahead. I didn't think that was what this discussion was about.
I'm also missing any reasonable connection to my explanation of why the specific checkpoints in North Georgia are there and the fact that they have been going on for at least 30 years. I have first person experience in exactly these checkpoints around what is known locally as the Cooler. They occur several times a year, normally before a Holiday or after a high number of crashes/deaths. I don't particularly care one way or the other about them, but they are not for motorcycles only and they have been going on for long enough that if there was a basis for challenge they wouldn't be happening.
I to have been through checkpoints 30 years ago in my own state where they checked only HD's and there excuse was well that's the only bike worth stealing. We had them stopped by getting together and fighting the so called safety checkpoints. If your OK with that's your right I disagree and that's my right.