What's Wrong w/ Cage Drivers?
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From: back home in Michigan
There's a lot of anger out there waiting for a justifiable reason (in their minds )and someone to take it out on. The tighter society is packed together the more of this you will see. If you've ever people watched a busy sidewalk in a big town like NewYork for example. Its interesting to see and violance is always pending because of it so unless you blend in your almost saying hey look at me you can take your venom out on me.
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From: Niles Canyon Ca.
I've lane split for years all over the country legal or not and particularly in Europe when I could , got one ticket for it in 40 yrs . You guys want to sit in triple digit heat and cook a motor or don't have the skills or ***** to roll with it fine not my problem . Calling people who do nasty names just shows how light in the shorts you really are .
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No business presuming if I read your post or not..I did. Don't need the attempts at ruler illustrations, I'm 46..have actually been on the highways more than one time.
Now...if you try to draw a picture of someone traveling down the breakdown lane and colliding with an oncoming emergency vehicle at over 50mph...you're painting the picture of a blind retard. But you have to admit, someone stupid enough to travel that fast past stopped traffic..and be THAT BLIND so as to not see an emergency vehicle coming towards them with lights flashing on an interstate highway designed for normal traffic to have clear visibility over a long distance at 65+mph...that rider is probably worse of trying to sew the needle through the middle...LMAO. Hell...I'll applaud Darwinism for taking them out.
If you're going to try to make a point my saying "use a guy like me..doing 10mph", I'm fine with that. If you had read my posts...you'd see my issue with with the irresponsible ones flying down 'tween the rows.
Hopefully someone with the sense of doing that slowly, would choose to use the breakdown lane slowly too.
My issue isn't with skillz, or ***** either. It has to do with "sharing the road", everyone is equals. Just because I'm on the bike doesn't make me more important than those stuck behind the wheel. I try to always think of how my actions affect others.
If you read my post from earlier there are hazards to traveling in the break down lane. People keep saying that you are within inches of cars when lane splitting. Let’s think for a minute. Normal lane here is 12 feet wide. Normal truck (not semi) is 8 feet wide (normaly including mirrors). That is 2 feet on each side. 4 feet cause you are splitting lanes. So defiantly not inches from causing mass destruction. Consider this example. Use a guy like me not some jackass doing 150 everywhere they go. Yes there are more chances (not high risk) of having an accident when you are lane splitting but this is likely to be at 10 mph. In the breakdown lane there are slightly less chances of an accident but the accident is likely to be much worse. 50 mph+ into an oncoming ambulance just is not going to end well. You got to remember that emergency vehicles can travel either way in the breakdown lane. And speaking as a first responder last thing I would be looking for is an idiot on a bike riding down the shoulder (prius maybe).
For me it’s all about risk mitigation (Army drills it into you). I’d rather hit a car going 10 mph than head on by a ambulance at 50 mph or ran over by a soccer mom in her suv and squished into the car in front of me if I stay put. But that’s just my opinion.
Now...if you try to draw a picture of someone traveling down the breakdown lane and colliding with an oncoming emergency vehicle at over 50mph...you're painting the picture of a blind retard. But you have to admit, someone stupid enough to travel that fast past stopped traffic..and be THAT BLIND so as to not see an emergency vehicle coming towards them with lights flashing on an interstate highway designed for normal traffic to have clear visibility over a long distance at 65+mph...that rider is probably worse of trying to sew the needle through the middle...LMAO. Hell...I'll applaud Darwinism for taking them out.
If you're going to try to make a point my saying "use a guy like me..doing 10mph", I'm fine with that. If you had read my posts...you'd see my issue with with the irresponsible ones flying down 'tween the rows.
Hopefully someone with the sense of doing that slowly, would choose to use the breakdown lane slowly too.
My issue isn't with skillz, or ***** either. It has to do with "sharing the road", everyone is equals. Just because I'm on the bike doesn't make me more important than those stuck behind the wheel. I try to always think of how my actions affect others.
If you read my post from earlier there are hazards to traveling in the break down lane. People keep saying that you are within inches of cars when lane splitting. Let’s think for a minute. Normal lane here is 12 feet wide. Normal truck (not semi) is 8 feet wide (normaly including mirrors). That is 2 feet on each side. 4 feet cause you are splitting lanes. So defiantly not inches from causing mass destruction. Consider this example. Use a guy like me not some jackass doing 150 everywhere they go. Yes there are more chances (not high risk) of having an accident when you are lane splitting but this is likely to be at 10 mph. In the breakdown lane there are slightly less chances of an accident but the accident is likely to be much worse. 50 mph+ into an oncoming ambulance just is not going to end well. You got to remember that emergency vehicles can travel either way in the breakdown lane. And speaking as a first responder last thing I would be looking for is an idiot on a bike riding down the shoulder (prius maybe).
For me it’s all about risk mitigation (Army drills it into you). I’d rather hit a car going 10 mph than head on by a ambulance at 50 mph or ran over by a soccer mom in her suv and squished into the car in front of me if I stay put. But that’s just my opinion.
Last edited by YeOldeStonecat; Sep 15, 2011 at 10:39 AM.
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From: California
Ok so your heading down the beakdown lane with a line of cars on one side and a wall, guardrail or whatever on the other doing 10 mph. Oncomming emergency vehical that is comming towards you preocupied with radioing the hospital where they are going cause they got a patient in the back is moving at speed. Ya you can stop but where the hell you think your gonna go. You gonna part the cars like a new age Moses or just jump the guard rail?
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Ok so your heading down the beakdown lane with a line of cars on one side and a wall, guardrail or whatever on the other doing 10 mph. Oncomming emergency vehical that is comming towards you preocupied with radioing the hospital where they are going cause they got a patient in the back is moving at speed. Ya you can stop but where the hell you think your gonna go. You gonna part the cars like a new age Moses or just jump the guard rail?
B- emergency vehicles doing 50mph going against the grain of stopped trafffic on a 1 way road....down the breakdown lane...nope..ain't gonna happen. But even if so, rewind and refer to point A
Again..what I'm talking about is responsible use of the breakdown lane...not flying down it. And...it would only be if I had to! And...I'd be using it to get to that first offramp right over there....right in site...right there //points arm and finger to it....I'm passing about 10 cars to get to it.
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From: California
You are completely right. You are 20 years my senior so I dont have any clue what I am talking about. Not like I have any experience driving a ambulance (which I do) or any experience driving a rescue truck for a fire department (which I do) and I defiantly have never seen anyone that just wanted to get to that next off ramp pull out when I am driving down the shoulder (which I have). Ya your right I dont know what I am talking about cause you are so much older and wiser. Why do you think it is illegal to drive in the breakdown lane? Might it possibly be because that lane is for emergency vehicles to get to and from an accident if needed? Couldnt possibly be that could it? But heck you got to be right. You have been doing this for two decades longer than me and probably have been in every position that I have many times cause what do I know I am just a young whipper snapper.
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From: back home in Michigan
You are completely right. You are 20 years my senior so I dont have any clue what I am talking about. Not like I have any experience driving a ambulance (which I do) or any experience driving a rescue truck for a fire department (which I do) and I defiantly have never seen anyone that just wanted to get to that next off ramp pull out when I am driving down the shoulder (which I have). Ya your right I dont know what I am talking about cause you are so much older and wiser. Why do you think it is illegal to drive in the breakdown lane? Might it possibly be because that lane is for emergency vehicles to get to and from an accident if needed? Couldnt possibly be that could it? But heck you got to be right. You have been doing this for two decades longer than me and probably have been in every position that I have many times cause what do I know I am just a young whipper snapper.
Today we have so many more drivers on the road than ever before, and far, far fewer traffic laws being obeyed. Between broke dick cops and broke dick drivers/riders we all risk our lives anytime we get out on the road anymore.
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You got a h*** of a point
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This morning I was going in between the two lines of stopped cars like every morning (same traffic jams every day). This morning a guy in is brand new Mercedes decided that I should not pass. He literally closed left toward the car on the left lane (so much that he almost bumped into it), for 10 good seconds, then went back in his lane and gave me a finger. I stopped next to him, looked at him. Took him 30 seconds to look at me again just to give me another finger. I took off in between the two lanes and went my way.
I know that what I did is unlawful, but I don't understand that behavior. Why does he care that I can move if he can't? He's stuck, anyway.
My story of the day.
Vince
I know that what I did is unlawful, but I don't understand that behavior. Why does he care that I can move if he can't? He's stuck, anyway.
My story of the day.
Vince
I had to wait on the side of the road with the dumb *** that hit my truck until the cops and the EMT's got there. Waste of my day, and it didn't save him anytime and jacked up his bike. Plus, he got to listen to me cussing his dumb *** out for 30 minutes. If he hadn't have been hurt, he would have been by the time the cops got there. Just saying.
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From: NW Florida
There is an AMAZING lack of reading comprehension taking place in this thread.
I've presented a reference to a comprehensive study that tracked FIVE countries worth of data, showing that lane splitting did NOT statistically reduce rear end collisions for motorcycles, but I can see that no one here is going to read that data, consider it, and change their stance.
I've presented a reference to a comprehensive study that tracked FIVE countries worth of data, showing that lane splitting did NOT statistically reduce rear end collisions for motorcycles, but I can see that no one here is going to read that data, consider it, and change their stance.
Now, Im going to thank you for informing me on the way wikipedia follows up and verifies their information posted. I'm also big enough and open enough to listen to what someone else has to say and consider their opinion without labeling them. I learned a couple of things from you on this post....