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Oct 13, 2011 | 08:22 AM

#141

slyder

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"outlaw guns and only the outlaw will have them"

Oct 13, 2011 | 08:35 AM

#142

USMAMule

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Originally Posted by slyder

"outlaw guns and only the outlaw will have them"

No one's talking about outlawing guns. Where'd that come from?

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Oct 13, 2011 | 08:47 AM

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mcrider1

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Originally Posted by jruggs73

I carry a XD-40 sub compact in a shoulder harness without a round in the chamber. I know it's not proper practice to do so but I wouldn't want the gun to discharge and shoot myself or an innocent bystander should the bike and I hit the pavement. I am in Iowa and have a valid CCW permit. I hope I never need to pull the weapon but if my life depends on it then I will deal with the legal issues knowing it was myself or the criminal. Just my .02 cents

If you get into a life and death situation with an unloaded gun, good luck!

Oct 13, 2011 | 10:32 AM

#144

Very High Plain Drifter

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Originally Posted by cptdenny

Here in the US we have open boarders. We have crack and meth addicts along with their drug related crimes. Our justice system is a puzzle of pieces of different laws concerning the right to use lethal force. If we ever get a clear cut law stating that a citizen has the right to use lethal force without any consequence when defending his life and his property without any chance of being sued by the criminals family. Then we'll become a safe nation. What stands in the way are attorneys which refuses to support tort reform.

So (if I'm reading this the way you intended) you're saying that gun-related crimes are largely committed by illegal immigrants? I'm not sure I agree with you - why would an illegal immigrant (who presumably wants to remain in the US) run a tremendous risk of getting discovered and deported by shooting someone? Are Crackheads good shots?

There cannot ever be legislation along the lines you suggest. Otherwise it would always work out like this:

Let's say I shoot you for no good reason.
Your family tries to sue me, for being a douchebag who shot you for no good reason.
The Judge says "Well, how 'bout it Mr Drifter?"
I reply, "Well your Honour, he said he was going to kill me and then ran up my driveway at me looking all threatening like. I was defending my life and property".
Judge shuffles his papers and says, "Well that's it then. According to the Denny Law, we can't do anything more against you, if that's what you were doing" (and who's going to contradict me? You're dead, remember)
I grin, shake hands with the Judge and bugger off.

No. Don't think that's going to work very well.

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Originally Posted by wookie214

Ah..... let's see..... Europe bans guns so now folks just bomb the crap out of each other..... or stab each other, or club each other with cricket bats.... good lordy, outlaw EVERYTHING.... yea, that will fix it.
http://www.scrappleface.com/?p=2990

Since when is a report from 2008 on a website of dubious reliability (slogan -news fairly unbalanced, we report, you decipher) to be taken as evidence? Besides which, we didn't outlaw cricket bats, Leatherman, butter knives or pointy sticks. as for getting blown up - we'll that's hardly unique to anyone.

next the UK will ..... "outlaw sharp sticks"...

didn't work in Australia either.....
http://www.ncpa.org/sub/dpd/index.php?Article_ID=17847

Also not a wonderfully reliable source.

I will throw out this, from Wikipedia:

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In 2007, a Home Office (=State Department) report reported that gun crime remains a relatively rare event. The number of homicides per year committed with firearms has remained in the range 49-97 in the 8 years up to 2006. In 2005/6 the police in England and Wales reported 50 gun homicides, a rate of 0.1 illegal gun deaths per 100,000 of population. Only 6.6% of homicides involved the use of a firearm.

By way of international comparison, in 2004 the police in the United States reported 9,326 gun homicides. The overall homicide rates per 100,000 (regardless of weapon type) reported by the United Nations for 1999 were 4.55 for the US and 1.45 in England and Wales. The homicide rate in England and Wales at the end of the 1990s was below the EU average, but the rates in Northern Ireland and Scotland were above the EU average.

Compared with the United States of America, the United Kingdom has a slightly higher total crime rate per capita of approximately 85 per 1000 people, while in the USA it is approximately 80.

Oct 13, 2011 | 11:03 AM

#145

cptdenny

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From: Port St. Lucie, FL

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Originally Posted by Very High Plain Drifter

No, I didn't suggest that illegals were a major cause of gun crimes in the US. Or that crack heads are good shots.

What I was stating was that our crime rates are higher due to people coming from other countries that don't hold human life/rights in high regard when compared to the average law abiding citizen.

As for crack and meth heads, it's the drug addiction/habit that they must fund through criminal activity such as larceny and violence and not their marksmanship that I speak of. Addicts will do whatever it takes for a fix.

Oct 13, 2011 | 11:22 AM

#146

cptdenny

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Originally Posted by jruggs73

You have NO WORRIES. The Croatian manufactured XD-40 pistols have several safeties that would prevent an accidental discharge. The XD-40's are some of the most safest pistols to carry locked & loaded. The XD-40 will only go bang if the trigger is pulled while the rear grip safety is being depressed at the same time.

In the event of a crash you'll have a greater chance of breaking a rib or two but ZERO chance of the XD-40 going off accidentally. In design the XD-40 is safer to carry with a round in the chamber than a revolver.

So lock & load with peace of mind.

You can google how safe the XD-40s are when carried locked & loaded.

BTW I own both the XD-40 and Glock pistols and in my opinion the XD-40 is the better of the two.

Good luck, ride safe!

Oct 13, 2011 | 12:27 PM

#147

Terrabella

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Each state has its own rules regarding carrying a hand gun as we all know. Here in California the laws are very restrictive as compared to say Texas. The use of deadly force state by state is a bit vague although if one is found to have shot and killed someone out of fear for their lives and that it can be proven and under certain conditions one stands good chance of being cleared of the shooting. The problem is under what circumstances did the shooting occur and where you in your rights to use deadly force. A good attorney can turn things against you pretty fast and make the dead person look like the victim and you as the aggressor. So, if you pull out a gun and kill some dude who is threating you or your loved ones you are going to jail until you can prove your innocents AND the circumstances under which the shooting took place. All in all, it is a tough call. I understand the comments about protecting your family or ones self but there are consequence both ways.

Here in CA they just passed a law disallowing the carrying of weapons on a person, loaded or unloaded, they are not allowed. And, CA does not recognize other states gun laws. So, if you shot some guy in California outside of your home environment , you have broken the law simply by the fact you had a gun on your person.
See this link; http://www.atvn.org/news/2011/10/gov...way-gun-rights

Also, see the gun laws by state at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_law...te)#California

So, what am I trying to say? Each and every state in the union has different gun laws and the pity of it all is even if you think you have lawfully defended you and your family by shooting and killing someone you may be entirely in the wrong depending on what state it happens in. To me carry a weapon is loaded with risk and not carry one, as some of you have pointed out, is loaded with risk as well. Rest assured no matter your position there are major consequences on both sides of the aisle of carrying a gun.

Last edited by Terrabella; Oct 13, 2011 at 12:29 PM.

Oct 13, 2011 | 02:59 PM

#148

brenn

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Originally Posted by Terrabella

The simplest way to look at it is this - if your choice is kill or be killed, you really have nothing to lose by using force, no matter what the law says about it.

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