I have to jump in here.. First, I'm not going to pass any moral judgement about whether or not you should carry.. or choose to carry or whatever.. all I will say on that particular subject is this.. I was in a similar situation once.. details aren't important except for this.. I was armed.. and I'm still around.. I carry all the time.. no exceptions.. I don't carry to start fights, I dont' carry to be a tough guy.. I don't carry to impress anyone.. I don't carry to bolster my self esteem or "manly-ness". I carry because bad people do bad things.. I know that from experience.. I carry to protect my life and the lives of my loved ones.. and I simply refuse to give up my life without a fight.. it's as simple as that.. if you believe that being armed doesn't help.. go check out the Gary Kleck and Jon Lott studies.. or read Lott's book, "More guns, less crime".. then decide for yourself

With all that said.. as far as how or what to carry.. I train a lot, I've attended a fairly large number of defensive shooting schools, and trained with military, law enforcement and civilian trainers.. and I was military so, I have that training as well.. I also compete, IDPA, USPSA, Three Gun and Low Light.. So, its totally your choice.. but as far a holster goes.. I'd not be so quick to go with a shoulder holster, for a couple reasons. First, they are slow.. and usually a bit cumbersome to draw from and the second thing is the muzzle of your handgun, when holstered in a shoulder rig, is pointed in a less than optimal direction.. So, when you combine those two things with the stress of having to present a weapon in a for real "do it right.. right now or get shot" fight.. the end result is usually not to your advantage. The basic truth is.. even if you practice.. shoulder rigs are slow, and often dangerous. I would suggest that a cross draw holster would serve you better than a shoulder holster.. they work extremely well from a seated position, such as in a vehicle or on the bike. There are other options as well.. gun pockets, gun vests such as those offered by black jack leather I believe it is.. If you do end up using a shoulder rig, practice practice practice.. then practice some more.. The average person will lose roughly.. 50 percent of their "normal" ability in a for real gun fight.. so if your not super smooth presenting your firearm in practice.. I can absolutely promise you, you will not magically have all your skill when the balloon goes up for real. Bottom line, the choice is yours.. but I'd at least give serious consideration to alternative holsters and carry options before settling on a shoulder rig.

as for your particular situation.. I have to agree with those who said.. count to ten and go on with life.. the best way to win a gun fight.. is to not get into a gun fight. I wasn't there obviously.. but I would guess that guy wasn't trained.. and it sounds like he was mad as hell.. that's a very dangerous combination. He more or less had you dead to rights.. in that situation... there isn't much you can do.. escape and evade.. live to fight another day. He had a gun and was in a truck.. not very good odds at all with your gun in a saddlebag and on a motorcycle.. at best.. get the plate.. call it in..

btw.. for what it's worth, I live in Pa, and I go to a yearly class that deals with application of deadly force.. as it is right now.. if you shoot someone in self defense..even if your cleared under criminal law, if you get sued and it goes to civil court.. the average cost to you is right around a hundred grand for lawyers and court costs. Remember OJ? same kind of deal.. I would very strongly suggest if you carry, get a rider that covers defensive shootings from your insurance carrier, and have a lawyer ready..

just my two cents.. your mileage may vary.. and.. I'm very very thankful you made it home safe

Cheers

mavrick

 

What country are you from?
In Florida we have the Castle Doctrine we don't need to retreat. Look it up.
I'm not always on my mc but I always carry.
I saved 2 Co-eds from being raped by 5 urban youths up in Bear Mountain NY back in the early '90s after parking my mc.

The US government issued me a .45 Colt when I was 17 years old. I was a combat medic at the time. The weapon wasn't issued to me to kill, but to protect my patients lives. I have pulled my weapon out on about 5 occasions since. Most of those times were to protect someone innocent. I don't carry to kill, I carry to protect.

To the OP, I have about a dozen holsters for about 20 sidearms I own. Like a golfer, one club is not enough, neither is having only one side arm or holster. There are times I carry in a fanny pack around my waist when I ride.

You were in a bad situation, but survived without a scratch. Those that tell you it's too late, he already drew is BS. He may jam, he may miss, even if you drew late you may save yourself from his 2nd shot.

Those that are concerned about going to jail in defending one self in a non gun friendly area. My advice, carry a revolver this way you don't need to worry about spent brass. Get out of the area and keep your mouth shut.

Why is it that the law-abiding citizens have to fear protecting themselves and the criminal doesn't. That's BS!

You don't have to be on a long distance trip to become a statistic. The evening news shows every night someone becoming a statistic locally. This isn't the wild West, it's WORSE! In the wild West there was respect for human life, not today with these two- legged animals that our liberal minded politicians allow into our country for votes. In the wild West you got convicted you got punished, today it's everyone elses fault but the criminal.

NEVER GIVE THE CRIMNAL THE RIGHT TO DECIDE WEATHER TO LET YOU LIVE. STOP BEING SHEEP! YOU DON'T LIKE THE LAW, THEN CHANGE IT.

If a law abiding citizen get arrested for protecting him or others, get off your lazy donkeys and go down to the court house or police station and protest, demand your politicians change the law.

Remember, if it's to dangerous for a LEO in uniform to go unarmed, what's that saying for the rest of the sheep?

 

A couple of the officers who work for me wear "bad boy" gloves. Before I let them wear them I make them go to the range and qualify with them on. They are surprised of the scores, being lowered. These are not thick, either.

If you are going to carry and ride, make sure you can draw and fire with them. Qual times are 2 seconds to draw and fire 2 rounds, at 7 yards.

 

Smart Carry/ Thunderwear. Although an HK 45 might be a little much, the mid sized pistols work fine.

 

I have a concealed carry permit and always carry anywhere it's legal. As a result, I've always been interested in any threads that pop up in any of the various motorcycle forums I belong to related to concealed carry. Usually, there are lots of ideas that are presented about the best places to carry. A while back, there was a thread reply posted by an emergency room doctor who related lots of medical information about what a concealed gun can do to you in the event of a crash. His information was very sobering. That pistol can hurt you bad in a crash, breaking bones and lots of other unpleasant things. Now, when you consider how seldom we hear about an incident like the OP has related here and how frequently we hear about somebody going down, it looks to me like we have to take this into consideration.

BTW...having a cool head in a situation like presented by the OP is significantly better that having the best firearm and lots of training in its use. If you can drive away from the situation, you are always much better. Yeah...your "bad-***" ego might get a little bruised but at least you don't have any bullet holes in your hide or lots of expensive legal bills to deal with.

Another thought for the OP....I also live in NC. I'm no expert on the law but I think, based on what was discussed in my concealed carry class, that the act of the dude in the truck in retrieving the gun and waving it around, in a heated scenario is considered assault. We were taught in the CC class never to produce the gun unless we intended to shoot it because we could get charged with assault merely by waving it around in a threatening way.

 

I do not own firearms of any kind. But everyone I associate with does...

I first met Suzanna ~10 years ago and several years ago we got her support in defeating a new helmet bill in Texas. Great lady.
"It sure as heck would have changed the odds"

 

Larry
Back in the spring, I posted if anyone knew of a place that made a holster for the bike. You replied you were thinking about making some, has that progressed past the "thought" process?

I would like to have a holster that hangs on the side of the tank or somewhere I can see it and have easy reach

I know it is not concealed, and some states have an open carry law but Kentucky is not one of them.

Any thoughts?



Thanks

 

Alan, you're my hero! Your post is one of very few that actually make sense in this senseless world.

No matter how well trained one is, one can never out draw a drawn gun. And as pathetic as it seems, look at this from the low-life's point of view: I drew a gun to "show off" or to intimidate the aggressor, I might not have the intention to shoot, but as soon as I see you draw your weapon, all of a sudden, my option is severely limited. I have no choice but to pull the trigger.... No matter who's right or wrong, both lose. This ain't the old west.

That being said, as a former LEO, it was ingrained in my head that a conceal weapon MUST have retention, thumb break is the much preferred device. "Chicago" type screw(s) or any "form fitting" holster will only work when the holster is newer, even though they can be adjusted over time, it's just an accident waiting to happen.

When I carry, I wear this:

http://masterofconcealment.com/pgrou...cealment+Shirt

I never have the need to "speed draw". Once again, this ain't the old west anymore. The only reason I carry is to protect myself and others, but I make damn sure that I do not see any guns drawn before I have my piece in my hand.

Ride safe.

 

Everybody talks the tall game about having a gun and what they would do and 99% of you would not do a damn thing . Unless your hand is on the weapon and even then unless your fresh from the sandbox shitholes or a cop by the time you register your looking at the working end of somebody else gun already . Having and using are two very different things .

 

Guy with little dick and a big gun. Apologize profusely, then just tale the greaser, wait until you are in a place you think no one sees you and put three in the back window to the left. any luck you'll kill the mother f@cker, otherwise it will give him something to think about. You will be doing the world a favor.

I hate cowards who pull for no reason other than to wiggle their 9mm dick...