ABATE Motorcycle Crash Fatality Study
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Great article, and how true accidents loose sight of the issue, helmet rather than the accident? It takes the focus off the driver and places it on the motorcyclist, Why? I'm tempted to put the 'Start Seeing Motorcycles' sticker on my truck for one thing. I was rear-ended this summer by a 22 year old bitch on a cell phone, I was stopped at a red light! and launched from the bike. Clearly her fault, thank God I wasn't hurt, but warned to wear a helmet. What! Relevant??? Come on... She didn't have a seat belt on or insurance (but ordered by Judge to pay $633.00 in damages). Oh, and she was still on the phone when I want back to talk to her! I took it from her and threw it on the ground, I was pissed!
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RE: ABATE Motorcycle Crash Fatality Study
ORIGINAL: 211Chuck
Wow" That just reinforces what I've thought of ABATE since
they first started up.
They are complete DUMB AZZ's that have no clue what they
are talking about when it comes to motorcyce safety at all.
I wear a helmet 99% of the time in my 40+ years of riding, but
back when this fight over helmet laws first started I went to
rallies at parliament grounds when they were meeting on helmet
laws to fight against them. I went to them wearing my helmet!
WHY???
Because if you let them tell you,you have to wear a helmet they
will start telling you, you have to wear seat belts and before long
they will tell you everything you can and can not do in your life..
All of what we were fighting against is coming to be true now
because we let them get away with it..
That is the only reason to fight helmet laws, not because some
total DUMB AZZ says it is safer to not wear them. IMO anyone
who thinks it is safer to ride a motorcycle without a helmet
needs to never be allowed to breed because we have way to
many stupid people in this world already and we sure don't
need anymore then there are now!
Sorry for the rant, but stupidity just makes my blood boil!!
OK" I'm done now! (I think?)
Wow" That just reinforces what I've thought of ABATE since
they first started up.
They are complete DUMB AZZ's that have no clue what they
are talking about when it comes to motorcyce safety at all.
I wear a helmet 99% of the time in my 40+ years of riding, but
back when this fight over helmet laws first started I went to
rallies at parliament grounds when they were meeting on helmet
laws to fight against them. I went to them wearing my helmet!
WHY???
Because if you let them tell you,you have to wear a helmet they
will start telling you, you have to wear seat belts and before long
they will tell you everything you can and can not do in your life..
All of what we were fighting against is coming to be true now
because we let them get away with it..
That is the only reason to fight helmet laws, not because some
total DUMB AZZ says it is safer to not wear them. IMO anyone
who thinks it is safer to ride a motorcycle without a helmet
needs to never be allowed to breed because we have way to
many stupid people in this world already and we sure don't
need anymore then there are now!
Sorry for the rant, but stupidity just makes my blood boil!!
OK" I'm done now! (I think?)
From http://www.abateflorida.com/html/body_join.html:
When you become a member of ABATE OF FLORIDA, INC. you are helping make a difference in the ongoing mission to protect your right to ride and enjoy the motorcycle of your choice, your choice of riding apparel, and when and where you can ride a motorcycle. These are issues that are real and present in today’s “protect yourself from yourself” political environment. This holds true for all levels of government. There will always be those who see our love for motorcycling as a negative and will try any means to control and if possible prohibit motorcycle use.
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RE: ABATE Motorcycle Crash Fatality Study
I had a similar thing happen to me in Hawaii. I was stopped at a cross walk on a military installation and was rear ended by a lasy going about 50 in a 35. I was thrown from my bike and landed on the other side of the crosswalk face first. I laid there for a while not moving to let her scream some more thinking she killed me.
I was wearing a helmet because it's mandatory on military installations. That didn't stop the medical personnel from advising me to give up riding altogether, though.
I was wearing a helmet because it's mandatory on military installations. That didn't stop the medical personnel from advising me to give up riding altogether, though.
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RE: ABATE Motorcycle Crash Fatality Study
ORIGINAL: Teachu2
I'd like to see helmet laws changed to:
1) No helmet required for those 18 and over.
2) No public funds for those suffering head injuries from accidents when they were not wearing a DOT-approved helmet.
I believe that we should have the right to shoose - but those that choose poorly should not become burdens to society as a direct result of their choice. I feel the same about seatbelts, tobacco, fast food, and alcohol.
I'd like to see helmet laws changed to:
1) No helmet required for those 18 and over.
2) No public funds for those suffering head injuries from accidents when they were not wearing a DOT-approved helmet.
I believe that we should have the right to shoose - but those that choose poorly should not become burdens to society as a direct result of their choice. I feel the same about seatbelts, tobacco, fast food, and alcohol.
Charles Umbenhauer, Lobbyist for ABATE of PA, says that the impact on the economy and insurance premiums is a drop in the bucket compared to all other types of injuries. "Motorcyclists make up 2% of all motorists in Pennsylvania, yet only 0.1% of all accidents," said Umbenhauer. He also pointed out that, "the AMA found that motorcyclists are just as likely to be killed in an accident as any other motorist."
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RE: ABATE Motorcycle Crash Fatality Study
ORIGINAL: hbski
A novelty helmet can be more dangerous than no helmet. In an impact many of the cheap non-DOT novelty helmets can break into pieces which could impale your head or face.
.... When I do, it's a non DOT beanie. .....
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ORIGINAL: dynamike74
You may be confused about ABATE. They have never been in a position to tell people not to wear helmets and this article does not do that either. They want the ability to choose. I think that if you do more research, you'll find that ABATE is pro choice and anti legislation, not anti helmet.
From http://www.abateflorida.com/html/body_join.html:
ORIGINAL: 211Chuck
Wow" That just reinforces what I've thought of ABATE since
they first started up.
They are complete DUMB AZZ's that have no clue what they
are talking about when it comes to motorcyce safety at all.
I wear a helmet 99% of the time in my 40+ years of riding, but
back when this fight over helmet laws first started I went to
rallies at parliament grounds when they were meeting on helmet
laws to fight against them. I went to them wearing my helmet!
WHY???
Because if you let them tell you,you have to wear a helmet they
will start telling you, you have to wear seat belts and before long
they will tell you everything you can and can not do in your life..
All of what we were fighting against is coming to be true now
because we let them get away with it..
That is the only reason to fight helmet laws, not because some
total DUMB AZZ says it is safer to not wear them. IMO anyone
who thinks it is safer to ride a motorcycle without a helmet
needs to never be allowed to breed because we have way to
many stupid people in this world already and we sure don't
need anymore then there are now!
Sorry for the rant, but stupidity just makes my blood boil!!
OK" I'm done now! (I think?)
Wow" That just reinforces what I've thought of ABATE since
they first started up.
They are complete DUMB AZZ's that have no clue what they
are talking about when it comes to motorcyce safety at all.
I wear a helmet 99% of the time in my 40+ years of riding, but
back when this fight over helmet laws first started I went to
rallies at parliament grounds when they were meeting on helmet
laws to fight against them. I went to them wearing my helmet!
WHY???
Because if you let them tell you,you have to wear a helmet they
will start telling you, you have to wear seat belts and before long
they will tell you everything you can and can not do in your life..
All of what we were fighting against is coming to be true now
because we let them get away with it..
That is the only reason to fight helmet laws, not because some
total DUMB AZZ says it is safer to not wear them. IMO anyone
who thinks it is safer to ride a motorcycle without a helmet
needs to never be allowed to breed because we have way to
many stupid people in this world already and we sure don't
need anymore then there are now!
Sorry for the rant, but stupidity just makes my blood boil!!
OK" I'm done now! (I think?)
From http://www.abateflorida.com/html/body_join.html:
When you become a member of ABATE OF FLORIDA, INC. you are helping make a difference in the ongoing mission to protect your right to ride and enjoy the motorcycle of your choice, your choice of riding apparel, and when and where you can ride a motorcycle. These are issues that are real and present in today’s “protect yourself from yourself” political environment. This holds true for all levels of government. There will always be those who see our love for motorcycling as a negative and will try any means to control and if possible prohibit motorcycle use.
You and I must have been at different meets and both read something
different into this above post because I distinctly see this as saying to
ride a motorcycle without a helmet is safer.
(ABATE QUOTE)
In the Florida heat and humidity, fatigue is minimized for the rider without a helmet allowing them to ride more alertly. The infringement on the senses, caused by most helmets, could also be less for the non-helmeted rider. It is also possible the helmeted rider perceives their helmet as a cloak of protection, consequently causing the rider to drop their defensive riding alertness.
To me these people have lost total sight of why not to have helmet laws!!
Maybe just me but thats what I hear out of ABATE"
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RE: ABATE Motorcycle Crash Fatality Study
I think that statistics can be made to say whatever you want them to say.
They mean nothing to me.
After inspecting the damage to my helmet in my '82 accident, and the lack of head injury I incurred, I knew then that I would always be wearing one.
I do though support your right to choose for yourself.
They mean nothing to me.
After inspecting the damage to my helmet in my '82 accident, and the lack of head injury I incurred, I knew then that I would always be wearing one.
I do though support your right to choose for yourself.
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We have a very active ABATE chapter in Minnesota and it has kept the wolves of safety at bay. I can't see how anyone can say that their peripheral vision and mobility are not compromised when wearing a helmet. it's my choice boys and girls and people who call other people idiots are idiots. Oop's that makes me an idiot.
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RE: ABATE Motorcycle Crash Fatality Study
ORIGINAL: dynamike74
That's not something I was aware of. If you have time, can you post a link to a study?
ORIGINAL: hbski
A novelty helmet can be more dangerous than no helmet. In an impact many of the cheap non-DOT novelty helmets can break into pieces which could impale your head or face.
.... When I do, it's a non DOT beanie. .....
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ORIGINAL: dynamike74
And what about those poor folks that get run over by a cager while not wearing a helmet? Are we to tell them that they have to take care of themselves when they have a severely reduced earing capacity AFTER they are injured due to some else's negligance? That's the same as saying that because you were standing drunk near the street, or walking to a cab that you have to take care of yourself at your own expense when someone else violated the law and hit you when they ran off the road.
And what about those poor folks that get run over by a cager while not wearing a helmet? Are we to tell them that they have to take care of themselves when they have a severely reduced earing capacity AFTER they are injured due to some else's negligance? That's the same as saying that because you were standing drunk near the street, or walking to a cab that you have to take care of yourself at your own expense when someone else violated the law and hit you when they ran off the road.
Bravo! I couldn't have said it better...