ABATE Motorcycle Crash Fatality Study
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RE: ABATE Motorcycle Crash Fatality Study
One thing that really makes me mad is when someone is talking about someone getting in a wreck the first question they ask is "were they wearing a helmet" sometimes even before they ask what happened to them.....people have become so overwhelmed with how much safer helmets are they never think about whether or not the helmet would have helped them either way.....I dont wear a helmet because it restricts my sight and hearing, hurts my jaw (broke it last year), and it is really hot in the summer.....now in the brutally cold I will wear a helmet just to have that little extra warmth....i dont think a state should have the right to tell people whether or not to wear a helmet...i dont look down on people whether they wear one or not but it should be personal choice
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RE: ABATE Motorcycle Crash Fatality Study
ORIGINAL: 211Chuck
Wow" That just reinforces what I've thought of ABATE since
they first started up.
They are complete DUMB AZZ's that have no clue what they
are talking about when it comes to motorcyce safety at all.
I wear a helmet 99% of the time in my 40+ years of riding, but
back when this fight over helmet laws first started I went to
rallies at parliament grounds when they were meeting on helmet
laws to fight against them. I went to them wearing my helmet!
WHY???
Because if you let them tell you,you have to wear a helmet they
will start telling you, you have to wear seat belts and before long
they will tell you everything you can and can not do in your life..
All of what we were fighting against is coming to be true now
because we let them get away with it..
That is the only reason to fight helmet laws, not because some
total DUMB AZZ says it is safer to not wear them. IMO anyone
who thinks it is safer to ride a motorcycle without a helmet
needs to never be allowed to breed because we have way to
many stupid people in this world already and we sure don't
need anymore then there are now!
Sorry for the rant, but stupidity just makes my blood boil!!
OK" I'm done now! (I think?)
Wow" That just reinforces what I've thought of ABATE since
they first started up.
They are complete DUMB AZZ's that have no clue what they
are talking about when it comes to motorcyce safety at all.
I wear a helmet 99% of the time in my 40+ years of riding, but
back when this fight over helmet laws first started I went to
rallies at parliament grounds when they were meeting on helmet
laws to fight against them. I went to them wearing my helmet!
WHY???
Because if you let them tell you,you have to wear a helmet they
will start telling you, you have to wear seat belts and before long
they will tell you everything you can and can not do in your life..
All of what we were fighting against is coming to be true now
because we let them get away with it..
That is the only reason to fight helmet laws, not because some
total DUMB AZZ says it is safer to not wear them. IMO anyone
who thinks it is safer to ride a motorcycle without a helmet
needs to never be allowed to breed because we have way to
many stupid people in this world already and we sure don't
need anymore then there are now!
Sorry for the rant, but stupidity just makes my blood boil!!
OK" I'm done now! (I think?)
you went to an ABATE rally but aren't a member....you mooch your rights............
who is an a**hole again ??
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From: Reading, PA
RE: ABATE Motorcycle Crash Fatality Study
ORIGINAL: yost44
One thing that really makes me mad is when someone is talking about someone getting in a wreck the first question they ask is "were they wearing a helmet" sometimes even before they ask what happened to them.....people have become so overwhelmed with how much safer helmets are they never think about whether or not the helmet would have helped them either way.....I dont wear a helmet because it restricts my sight and hearing, hurts my jaw (broke it last year), and it is really hot in the summer.....now in the brutally cold I will wear a helmet just to have that little extra warmth....i dont think a state should have the right to tell people whether or not to wear a helmet...i dont look down on people whether they wear one or not but it should be personal choice
One thing that really makes me mad is when someone is talking about someone getting in a wreck the first question they ask is "were they wearing a helmet" sometimes even before they ask what happened to them.....people have become so overwhelmed with how much safer helmets are they never think about whether or not the helmet would have helped them either way.....I dont wear a helmet because it restricts my sight and hearing, hurts my jaw (broke it last year), and it is really hot in the summer.....now in the brutally cold I will wear a helmet just to have that little extra warmth....i dont think a state should have the right to tell people whether or not to wear a helmet...i dont look down on people whether they wear one or not but it should be personal choice
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From: Reading, PA
RE: ABATE Motorcycle Crash Fatality Study
ORIGINAL: 211Chuck
Wow" That just reinforces what I've thought of ABATE since
they first started up.
They are complete DUMB AZZ's that have no clue what they
are talking about when it comes to motorcyce safety at all.
I wear a helmet 99% of the time in my 40+ years of riding, but
back when this fight over helmet laws first started I went to
rallies at parliament grounds when they were meeting on helmet
laws to fight against them. I went to them wearing my helmet!
WHY???
Because if you let them tell you,you have to wear a helmet they
will start telling you, you have to wear seat belts and before long
they will tell you everything you can and can not do in your life..
All of what we were fighting against is coming to be true now
because we let them get away with it..
That is the only reason to fight helmet laws, not because some
total DUMB AZZ says it is safer to not wear them. IMO anyone
who thinks it is safer to ride a motorcycle without a helmet
needs to never be allowed to breed because we have way to
many stupid people in this world already and we sure don't
need anymore then there are now!
Sorry for the rant, but stupidity just makes my blood boil!!
OK" I'm done now! (I think?)
Wow" That just reinforces what I've thought of ABATE since
they first started up.
They are complete DUMB AZZ's that have no clue what they
are talking about when it comes to motorcyce safety at all.
I wear a helmet 99% of the time in my 40+ years of riding, but
back when this fight over helmet laws first started I went to
rallies at parliament grounds when they were meeting on helmet
laws to fight against them. I went to them wearing my helmet!
WHY???
Because if you let them tell you,you have to wear a helmet they
will start telling you, you have to wear seat belts and before long
they will tell you everything you can and can not do in your life..
All of what we were fighting against is coming to be true now
because we let them get away with it..
That is the only reason to fight helmet laws, not because some
total DUMB AZZ says it is safer to not wear them. IMO anyone
who thinks it is safer to ride a motorcycle without a helmet
needs to never be allowed to breed because we have way to
many stupid people in this world already and we sure don't
need anymore then there are now!
Sorry for the rant, but stupidity just makes my blood boil!!
OK" I'm done now! (I think?)
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RE: ABATE Motorcycle Crash Fatality Study
I live in a state that has no helmet laws but does have seat belt laws.Plus I fractured my skull on a bike and still don't usually wear a helmet. Oh,but I do have two sons so f@ck you,chuck.
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From: Reading, PA
RE: ABATE Motorcycle Crash Fatality Study
ORIGINAL: hbski
I agree, skewed and incomplete and the problem with incomplete pictures such as this study is that people use it to draw conclusions without considering the whole picture.
ORIGINAL: redscout
Interesting that 57% of fatalities were riders wearing helmets. But that really has to be compared to how many bikers overall are wearing helmets for it to mean anything. If 90% of bikers are wearing helmets (unlikely in a non-required state), then it's not surprising or unexpected. But if 50% or less are wearing helmets, then that's a whole different thing. At that point it might indicate that either the helmet or the attitude of the biker wearing a helmet has something to do with it.
It's an interesting read, but like most studies, it can be skewed to the agenda of whoever interprets it.
And for the record, Indiana is a non-requiring state and I haven't had a helmet on in about 5 years.
Interesting that 57% of fatalities were riders wearing helmets. But that really has to be compared to how many bikers overall are wearing helmets for it to mean anything. If 90% of bikers are wearing helmets (unlikely in a non-required state), then it's not surprising or unexpected. But if 50% or less are wearing helmets, then that's a whole different thing. At that point it might indicate that either the helmet or the attitude of the biker wearing a helmet has something to do with it.
It's an interesting read, but like most studies, it can be skewed to the agenda of whoever interprets it.
And for the record, Indiana is a non-requiring state and I haven't had a helmet on in about 5 years.
http://www.ncrider.com/Truth_About_H...1_10-22-04.htm
http://www.oneida-abate.org/the_trut...elmet_laws.htm
Even the AMA believes in choice! http://www.oneida-abate.org/legislat...les/helmet.asp
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From: Huntington Beach, CA
RE: ABATE Motorcycle Crash Fatality Study
Well, since he was advocating NO helmet over the novelty helmet I believe him.
ORIGINAL: SoCalRoadGlide
Sorry, but just because a LEO says it's so, doesn't make it so. No disrespect intended, but there's an agenda there.
Dave
Sorry, but just because a LEO says it's so, doesn't make it so. No disrespect intended, but there's an agenda there.
Dave
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Tourer
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From: Huntington Beach, CA
RE: ABATE Motorcycle Crash Fatality Study
I never said I endorsed helmet laws. I whole heartedly believe in the right to choose.
on edit: I choose to wear a helmet.
on edit: I choose to wear a helmet.
ORIGINAL: Panhead_1_9_4_8
Maybe these "facts" will help belay some of the conjecture. My take is this ... do what you want ... don't tell me what to do. Doesn't bother me in the least if you ride around looking like Gazoo or a pez dispenser.
http://www.ncrider.com/Truth_About_H...1_10-22-04.htm
http://www.oneida-abate.org/the_trut...elmet_laws.htm
Even the AMA believes in choice! http://www.oneida-abate.org/legislat...les/helmet.asp
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ORIGINAL: hbski
I agree, skewed and incomplete and the problem with incomplete pictures such as this study is that people use it to draw conclusions without considering the whole picture.
ORIGINAL: redscout
Interesting that 57% of fatalities were riders wearing helmets. But that really has to be compared to how many bikers overall are wearing helmets for it to mean anything. If 90% of bikers are wearing helmets (unlikely in a non-required state), then it's not surprising or unexpected. But if 50% or less are wearing helmets, then that's a whole different thing. At that point it might indicate that either the helmet or the attitude of the biker wearing a helmet has something to do with it.
It's an interesting read, but like most studies, it can be skewed to the agenda of whoever interprets it.
And for the record, Indiana is a non-requiring state and I haven't had a helmet on in about 5 years.
Interesting that 57% of fatalities were riders wearing helmets. But that really has to be compared to how many bikers overall are wearing helmets for it to mean anything. If 90% of bikers are wearing helmets (unlikely in a non-required state), then it's not surprising or unexpected. But if 50% or less are wearing helmets, then that's a whole different thing. At that point it might indicate that either the helmet or the attitude of the biker wearing a helmet has something to do with it.
It's an interesting read, but like most studies, it can be skewed to the agenda of whoever interprets it.
And for the record, Indiana is a non-requiring state and I haven't had a helmet on in about 5 years.
http://www.ncrider.com/Truth_About_H...1_10-22-04.htm
http://www.oneida-abate.org/the_trut...elmet_laws.htm
Even the AMA believes in choice! http://www.oneida-abate.org/legislat...les/helmet.asp
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From: Chicagoland
RE: ABATE Motorcycle Crash Fatality Study
It's interesting that all of us have different opinions on whether or not to wear a helmet, but we all agree that it's the RIDER'S choice, not some politician's.
I wear a helmet as do my kids & wife when they're on the back, but that doesn't mean I think we should be FORCED to by the state. That's why I recently joined ABATE.
I wear a helmet as do my kids & wife when they're on the back, but that doesn't mean I think we should be FORCED to by the state. That's why I recently joined ABATE.