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Old Dec 8, 2006 | 02:37 PM
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ORIGINAL: Teachu2

Zukeeper, is that a Wide Glide? My first Harley was a lava red sunglo FXDWGI........also the first (only, so far) street bike I've crashed.

yes it is , it's a 98. I'm going to do a headlight swap this winter ,already changed the seat. maybe change bars. lifting the tank and lowering the rear are in the works. This is about as new as I am willing to go , would like to get another shovel for my next bike. Hope mine doesn't share the same fate as yours
 
Old Dec 8, 2006 | 02:40 PM
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[quote]ORIGINAL: zukeeper


[quote]ORIGINAL: 211Chuck

ORIGINAL: Milt

I live in a state that has no helmet laws but does have seat belt laws.Plus I fractured my skull on a bike and still don't usually wear a helmet. Oh,but I do have two sons so f@ck you,chuck.



Nice one Milt I hope you don't teach your children to talk
like that? But if you do it is not a surprise to me the way
people are teaching their children to act these days!!!

You don't have to wear a helmet ever, neither does anyone else
because even though I wear one:

"I'M DEAD AGAINST US BEING TOLD WE HAVE TO WEAR ONE"


WHY???

Because of not wanting politicians to have total power over us
telling us everything we can and can not do, I'm against the man
having total control of our lives.

I'm not against helmet laws because a bunch of DUMB AZZ's say
it is safer to ride with out a helmet, only a total MORON would buy
into ABATE's STUPIDITY" and I'm far from being that stupid"

You and anyone else is free to buy into ABATE's DUMB AZZ thoughts
and think helmets are unsafe, this is a FREE COUNTRY which is exactly
how I want it to stay!

I have a friend that I grew up with and started motorcycling together
over 40 years ago. He has NEVER owned or wore a helmet riding a
motorcycle EVER in 40+ years he knows motorcycles are much safer
if he/we wear helmets. We use to go to rallies against helmet laws
together he without a helmet me with my helmet, we stood together
against THE MAN for the right reasons, not ABATE's DUMB AZZ stories
that not wearing a helmet is safer on a motorcycle! To this day he and
I both think ABATE is a group of total DUMB AZZ's that are trying to
fight the right war the wrong way! They have lost sight of the fight
against the man and are trying to make the genral puplic believe that
riding a motorcycle without a helmet is safer then wearing a helmet.
Please" if anyone buys into that crap their IQ is less then their shoe size
and should not be on the streets anyway! Thats like saying your for
everyone going out on the streets driving drunk because it will be safer
that way! (DUMB AZZ) again if anyone believes that"

My best friend I grew up with rides 40,000 to 100,000 miles a year
which is about the same as me.

He rides all over Canada and all over the U.S. without wearing a helmet
EVER he does not care if he gets tickets for it all day long, he will never
wear a helmet till there are no helmet laws anywhere.

WHY DOES HE DO THIS????

Because he is fighting the fight everyone else does not have the guts
to fight, anyone who will not take their helmet off and never put it back
on helmet law state or not, that believes ABATE is correct about not
wearing a helmet is safer is a coward, they are scared of the man and
what he will do to them for not obeying the law that is being forced down
their throats. My best friend does not believe that ABATE is correct, but
he is fighting THE MAN every day by having enough guts to stand up to
them and not do what they tell him to do and he is doing it the right way
for the right reasons (YOURS and MY FREEDOM TO CHOOSE)


Most every motorcycle rider I've ever talked with about helmet laws says
they do not like THE MAN telling them what to do, whether they wear
helmets or not most 95% I talk to hate helmet laws.

Changing the helmet laws to being our choice is easy, get every rider in
the country ( 65% or better would do ) to stop wearing their helmets for
3 months and never pay the ticket without going to court first which would
bury the courts so deep in paper work and over load the system so bad
they would have to fold up the helmet laws just to be able to use the courts
again for more important problems this country has!

The problem with this is, the same so called BAD AZZ BIKERS that want
helmet laws to go a
 
Old Dec 8, 2006 | 02:47 PM
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ORIGINAL: Teachu2

Zukeeper, is that a Wide Glide? My first Harley was a lava red sunglo FXDWGI........also the first (only, so far) street bike I've crashed.

yes it is , it's a 98. I'm going to do a headlight swap this winter ,already changed the seat. maybe change bars. lifting the tank and lowering the rear are in the works. This is about as new as I am willing to go , would like to get another shovel for my next bike. Hope mine doesn't share the same fate as yours
Wasn't the bike's fault - I got too comfortable and suffered a momentary lapse in concentration, at precisely the wrong moment! Like I've heard many times and said a few - If you ride long enough, you will crash!

I spent 4 days in the hospital, my father-in-law rode the bike home from the crash! It was repaired long before my broken ribs were......
 
Old Dec 8, 2006 | 02:54 PM
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Would like to know a breakdown of types of bikes. Since for the most part, only harley riders seem to not wear helmets, how many deaths of sport bike opposed to non sport bike riders died with no helmet? Untill you know the breakdown these numbers are pretty much useless as a selling point to non helmet useage. IMO
 
Old Dec 8, 2006 | 03:06 PM
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ORIGINAL: gunrunner

Would like to know a breakdown of types of bikes. Since for the most part, only harley riders seem to not wear helmets, how many deaths of sport bike opposed to non sport bike riders died with no helmet? Untill you know the breakdown these numbers are pretty much useless as a selling point to non helmet useage. IMO





Gunner;

Around where I live their are more drunk Harley and Cruiser riders
killed wearing non DOT beenies then sober Sport Bike riders!

But living in moon shine country drunk driving and riding is the norm
it's been going on since the first gas engine was invented! [:'(]


 
Old Dec 8, 2006 | 04:08 PM
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Hmmm, and yet the MC mantra is to ride as though every cager is out to get you. So shouldn't you then be prepared for a crash?


ORIGINAL: dynamike74

ORIGINAL: DenimStreet

Ok, I'll clear this up with a simple question: (But you have to really think about it and answer it truthfully)

If you were a stunt man and you had to crash a bike for a stunt, would you wear a helmet for that stunt or not?

If the answer is yes, then wear a helmet when you ride.

If the answer is no, I question your intelligence, but it's your choice!!!
That made me laugh. It's flawed logic though. If you were going to crash a bike on purpose, you know that you may suffer head injuries if that crash would impact your head. Riding without a helmet is taking the risk that you're not going to be involved in an accident in the first place.
 
Old Dec 8, 2006 | 04:13 PM
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Without the brain you don't get the use of the rest of the body wether it works or not.

Unless you're being drawn and quartered the human body isn't like a chain....it breaks where it gets hit. Some parts can take more of a hit than others. Some areas can repair themselves, some cannot.

ORIGINAL: dynamike74

The unbiased truth is that my uncle, a former 1%'r is unable to care for himself at the ripe old age of 52, due to a MC crash 30 years ago in which a helmet would have saved him from the head trauma that had put him in a coma back then and is the cause of his lack of lucidity now.
I am sorry to have to hear about your uncle. But your post brings up another good point.

The human body is like a chain. It will break at it's weakest link. If you have a lid on, then your spinal injury risk increases. I'm not saying that your uncle would be better off in this case with or without a helmet. But would a spinal injury have injured him in a different way, but still acheive the same end result?
 
Old Dec 8, 2006 | 04:26 PM
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That's not what I said. I simply said that wearing a helmet helps to save your head, but since the impact on the skull isn't absorbed by the skull, it's passed through the helmet to your spine.......
Well, your brain can be damaged long before a skull fracture, and unless the skull fractures it is not absorbing that much energy and it will still be passed from your skull to your spine and then you have a spinal injury and a brain injury.


ORIGINAL: dynamike74
Here are the facts:
.......
[ul][*]Not walking out of your house ever saves lives
[/ul]
.......
Don't most accidents (non-vehicle of course) happen in the home?
 
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Old Dec 8, 2006 | 04:49 PM
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ORIGINAL: 211Chuck







I hope your signed up with ABATE or going to sign up with them
as you are the kind of people that they are looking for!

I'll leave that at that!

I'm sorry you don't like my friend that rides every where in the
U.S. and Canada with out a helmet with out caring if theres a
helmet law or not. Most people that don't have the BA!!s to do
what he does don't like him so thats cool with me!

I'm sorry that your jealous of my wife giving me an Ultra for my
birthday, but some men pick a good woman and some don't!!
Sorry about your luck is all I can say about that!

Did I miss anything??? LOL"


You are real good at reading things into reports that aren't there and putting words into peoples mouths arent' ya ??
Didn't say I didn't like your friend , I simply asked what he accomplished ...
didn't say I was jealous of your wife , don't know her , simply said maybe she should buy you another bike
you say your sorry about MY luck ?? you haven't met my wife , although she is posted in the showdown forum , so don't be sorry for me , you wouldn't be able to handle her , I promise ya that
 
Old Dec 8, 2006 | 04:51 PM
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ORIGINAL: zukeeper


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Zukeeper, is that a Wide Glide? My first Harley was a lava red sunglo FXDWGI........also the first (only, so far) street bike I've crashed.

yes it is , it's a 98. I'm going to do a headlight swap this winter ,already changed the seat. maybe change bars. lifting the tank and lowering the rear are in the works. This is about as new as I am willing to go , would like to get another shovel for my next bike. Hope mine doesn't share the same fate as yours
Wasn't the bike's fault - I got too comfortable and suffered a momentary lapse in concentration, at precisely the wrong moment! Like I've heard many times and said a few - If you ride long enough, you will crash!

I spent 4 days in the hospital, my father-in-law rode the bike home from the crash! It was repaired long before my broken ribs were......
well at least you got fixed and back in the wind !!
 



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