Americade checkpoint
Road Warrior
Joined: Sep 2011
Posts: 1,817
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From: Raleigh, NC
The laws about exhaust make no mention of who put the exhaust on the bike: all they care about is whether or not what is on the bike is legal.
And does the year of the bike matter?
I know that pollution rules are not normally grandfathered back to older vehicles. A 60's Buick is certainly not going to meet today's emission requirements, but as long as it's what was stock when it was manufactured, I believe that it's OK to drive. I could be wrong.
The same may be true of bikes. What was legal 25 years ago may not be legal now, but if the bike was legal 25 years ago and has not been changed, it may be legal now. That would make sense to me, but I wouldn't count on it.
Also, F**K the EPA and New York.
And while I wish there were less stringent noise restrictions on our bikes, I also know that there are many non-riders who are greatful.
That's life.
Road Master
Joined: May 2006
Posts: 813
Likes: 1
You should also remind everyone what a privilege the gov. grant all of us to be alive.Maybe we could show some appreciation to cover our carbon foot prints.Go Al Gore! It'll be a sad day for those that lick the boots of tyrants,once they wake up.
Road Captain
Joined: May 2010
Posts: 542
Likes: 5
From: New York
I think the point that some are missIng here is:
I ride all over New York and the only place I get harassed and fined is at Americade. It should be boycotted IMO for that reason. Many leave Americade and go to Laconia the following week. They don't do traffic stops and ticket motorcycles at Laconia. It's a better event. Maybe there is a corolation ?
Are loud pipes illegal ? Yes.
Can we change that Law ? Probably not.
But we can boycott that event and maybe they will stop the road blocks. The local economy up there profits from Americade. I stopped going or at least when I do go I don't visit the Village of Lake George.
Everywhere I go in New York my loud pipes live in perfect harmony except in Lake George during Americade. The problem with NY is that everybody sucks your wallet here to the point where the average joe eventually moves because he can't afford to live here.
Here is the proof.
( my bike parked next to a police cruiser in NY. The local cops love my bike btw )
I ride all over New York and the only place I get harassed and fined is at Americade. It should be boycotted IMO for that reason. Many leave Americade and go to Laconia the following week. They don't do traffic stops and ticket motorcycles at Laconia. It's a better event. Maybe there is a corolation ?
Are loud pipes illegal ? Yes.
Can we change that Law ? Probably not.
But we can boycott that event and maybe they will stop the road blocks. The local economy up there profits from Americade. I stopped going or at least when I do go I don't visit the Village of Lake George.
Everywhere I go in New York my loud pipes live in perfect harmony except in Lake George during Americade. The problem with NY is that everybody sucks your wallet here to the point where the average joe eventually moves because he can't afford to live here.
Here is the proof.
( my bike parked next to a police cruiser in NY. The local cops love my bike btw )
Road Warrior
Joined: Sep 2011
Posts: 1,817
Likes: 116
From: Raleigh, NC
Everyone has the right to travel, but no particular mode of travel is an absolute right. You cannot be denied the right to travel from point A to point B, but the mode by which you travel can be regulated, even walking. You are free to walk from A to B, but not on an interstate, for example.
Some of you guys think I'm a dick, and that's fine because I really don't care what ignorant whiners think of me.
The pipes on my ride are illegal, and I hope to continue to get away with it, but I sure don't believe that I have a "right" to have illegal pipes, which is basically what a lot of the whining is about.
It's pretty simple: if there wasn't a preponderance of illegal exhausts on bikes, there wouldn't be any checkpoints trying to catch them. It sucks, and it probably is just a money grabbing effort by the authorities, but if most all pipes were legal, they'd have nothing to go after, would they? We're the ones who paint the target on ourselves.
Last edited by mmancuso; Jul 3, 2012 at 07:37 AM.
Grand HDF Member
Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 4,212
Likes: 1,776
From: USA
Another issue is the use of Federal highway tax dollars to fund labor/overtime costs for checkpoints that target state and local ordinances. This is inappropriate use of Fed $$. My Fed tax $ or even my Fed gas tax $ should not be used as a grant for a local PD somewhere in New England to set up motorcycle only checkpoints which stop bikes to check helmets or pipes... which are NOT federal laws.
NHSTA funds are federal. What next. Give grants to municipal PD to fund overtime for writing parking tickets?
Reminder. Motorcycles are not currently regulated by a specific gov agency as is trucking, rail, shipping, and airlines. Sobriety checks are legal and even booze has an agency... ATF. Immigration has its own government oversight so these types of checkpoints have been legal for a number of years. Motorcycle only checkpoints disguised as a safety checks are wrong. There is NO FEDERAL helmet law or noise law for pipes... they are state and local.
NHSTA funds are federal. What next. Give grants to municipal PD to fund overtime for writing parking tickets?
Reminder. Motorcycles are not currently regulated by a specific gov agency as is trucking, rail, shipping, and airlines. Sobriety checks are legal and even booze has an agency... ATF. Immigration has its own government oversight so these types of checkpoints have been legal for a number of years. Motorcycle only checkpoints disguised as a safety checks are wrong. There is NO FEDERAL helmet law or noise law for pipes... they are state and local.
Outstanding HDF Member
Joined: Apr 2012
Posts: 2,899
Likes: 127
From: Chandler, Arizona
Originally Posted by BarneyFife
Apparently from the whining some still don't get it.
Originally Posted by BarneyFife
Your sarcasm changes nothing.
Everyone has the right to travel, but no particular mode of travel is an absolute right. You cannot be denied the right to travel from point A to point B, but the mode by which you travel can be regulated, even walking. You are free to walk from A to B, but not on an interstate, for example.
Some of you guys think I'm a dick, and that's fine because I really don't care what ignorant whiners think of me.
The pipes on my ride are illegal, and I hope to continue to get away with it, but I sure don't believe that I have a "right" to have illegal pipes, which is basically what a lot of the whining is about.
It's pretty simple: if there wasn't a preponderance of illegal exhausts on bikes, there wouldn't be any checkpoints trying to catch them. It sucks, and it probably is just a money grabbing effort by the authorities, but if most all pipes were legal, they'd have nothing to go after, would they? We're the ones who paint the target on ourselves.
Everyone has the right to travel, but no particular mode of travel is an absolute right. You cannot be denied the right to travel from point A to point B, but the mode by which you travel can be regulated, even walking. You are free to walk from A to B, but not on an interstate, for example.
Some of you guys think I'm a dick, and that's fine because I really don't care what ignorant whiners think of me.
The pipes on my ride are illegal, and I hope to continue to get away with it, but I sure don't believe that I have a "right" to have illegal pipes, which is basically what a lot of the whining is about.
It's pretty simple: if there wasn't a preponderance of illegal exhausts on bikes, there wouldn't be any checkpoints trying to catch them. It sucks, and it probably is just a money grabbing effort by the authorities, but if most all pipes were legal, they'd have nothing to go after, would they? We're the ones who paint the target on ourselves.
We disagree with you- stop whining about it.
I'll bet you're just aching to fire that one bullet at some poor guy with pipes louder than you like.
Road Master
Joined: May 2010
Posts: 785
Likes: 63
From: TX
Another issue is the use of Federal highway tax dollars to fund labor/overtime costs for checkpoints that target state and local ordinances. This is inappropriate use of Fed $$. My Fed tax $ or even my Fed gas tax $ should not be used as a grant for a local PD somewhere in New England to set up motorcycle only checkpoints which stop bikes to check helmets or pipes... which are NOT federal laws.
NHSTA funds are federal. What next. Give grants to municipal PD to fund overtime for writing parking tickets?
Reminder. Motorcycles are not currently regulated by a specific gov agency as is trucking, rail, shipping, and airlines. Sobriety checks are legal and even booze has an agency... ATF. Immigration has its own government oversight so these types of checkpoints have been legal for a number of years. Motorcycle only checkpoints disguised as a safety checks are wrong. There is NO FEDERAL helmet law or noise law for pipes... they are state and local.
NHSTA funds are federal. What next. Give grants to municipal PD to fund overtime for writing parking tickets?
Reminder. Motorcycles are not currently regulated by a specific gov agency as is trucking, rail, shipping, and airlines. Sobriety checks are legal and even booze has an agency... ATF. Immigration has its own government oversight so these types of checkpoints have been legal for a number of years. Motorcycle only checkpoints disguised as a safety checks are wrong. There is NO FEDERAL helmet law or noise law for pipes... they are state and local.
Well said.
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Road Captain
Joined: Aug 2010
Posts: 707
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From: Missouri
Well, every time I take a breath of clean air and drink clean water, I'm glad for the EPA.
6th Gear
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 10
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From: upstate ny(north of albany)
americade just plain sucks
i live an hour north of lake george and refuse to attend the **** event that is called americade. over the years ive recieved 3 tickets at inflated rates, must be more illegal during bike week. one of those tickets was for high handlebars, the ******* cop turned around right behind me on mainstreet causing my brother to lock up his breaks so he didnt hit the side of the sheiffs car, i wasnt driving like an ******* or anything, but the cop thought my brother should almost be run over because of my highly dangerous threatening to all of humanity ape hangers, land of the free my ***!!