Americade checkpoint
Road Warrior
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From: Raleigh, NC
Here in California we have two types of offenses, those you can be pulled over for and those you can't. In a car, I cannot be pulled over for modified exhaust or tinted windows. Thus if I go driving by and a cop notices my exhaust is real loud he needs to find something else to pull me over for if he wishes to write me a ticket for a loud exhaust. In a "safety checkpoint", that would no longer be the case. Also, in a "safety checkpoint" I'm not sure what loud pipes have to do with safety. Polution, yes...safety, no. Thus it seems to me that writing a ticket for loud pipes would be outside the scope of a "safety" checkpoint. Bald tires, non-working lights, and DOT helmet compliance I would get.
This is the rub I have with "motorcycle" safety checkpoints. Why not just make them Safety Checkpoints and pull over everyone? They don't have Motorcycle Sobriety Checkpoints, do they? It's everybody. It tweaks me a bit that they would check my pipes for their volumn under the guise of "safety" while a car drives by with a headlight burned out or non-functioning turn signals.
I guess loud pipe laws are one thing I don't worry too much about here in CA. My big shots on my Dyna are louder than stock but still a lot quieter than most. Now the SE Slip-ons that are on my Sportster are a WHOLE different story but even with them I've never been bugged about them. At a checkpoint that would be different.
This is the rub I have with "motorcycle" safety checkpoints. Why not just make them Safety Checkpoints and pull over everyone? They don't have Motorcycle Sobriety Checkpoints, do they? It's everybody. It tweaks me a bit that they would check my pipes for their volumn under the guise of "safety" while a car drives by with a headlight burned out or non-functioning turn signals.
I guess loud pipe laws are one thing I don't worry too much about here in CA. My big shots on my Dyna are louder than stock but still a lot quieter than most. Now the SE Slip-ons that are on my Sportster are a WHOLE different story but even with them I've never been bugged about them. At a checkpoint that would be different.
Buddy, I do agree with you, I think it's all chicken-****. I just believe from everything that I have read that there are no rights being violated, and that's what I've primarily commented about.
Some don't seem to be able to distinguish this, but there's nothing I can do about that!
Run with illegal pipes and you take your chances. I am.
4th Gear
Joined: May 2012
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From: Central PA
How ironic you have a Gadsden flag on your bike.
The legality of motorcycle checkpoints in NY has already been affirmed by the Federal Courts.
Don't see how riders with loud pipes and wearing skull caps can complain about checkpoints on the grounds that there is no reasonable suspicion to stop them.
Any cop sitting on the side of the road can hear reasonable suspicion coming from a 1/4 mile away. And it certainly isn't hard to pick out the non DOT helmet wearers. So even without a checkpoint a cop could flag you to the side of the road and cite you.
Checkpoints just make the process more efficient, effective and safe for the officers.
For the most part cops don't bother riders for blatant violations like loud pipes and novelty helmets. I know a lot of skull cap wearing riders with loud pipes and not one of them has ever been stopped yet alone ticketed for these obvious violations.
So if I'm unlucky enough to get tagged in a safety checkpoint for non stock pipes once in a blue moon I'll just chalk it up as a riding tax.
Don't see how riders with loud pipes and wearing skull caps can complain about checkpoints on the grounds that there is no reasonable suspicion to stop them.
Any cop sitting on the side of the road can hear reasonable suspicion coming from a 1/4 mile away. And it certainly isn't hard to pick out the non DOT helmet wearers. So even without a checkpoint a cop could flag you to the side of the road and cite you.
Checkpoints just make the process more efficient, effective and safe for the officers.
For the most part cops don't bother riders for blatant violations like loud pipes and novelty helmets. I know a lot of skull cap wearing riders with loud pipes and not one of them has ever been stopped yet alone ticketed for these obvious violations.
So if I'm unlucky enough to get tagged in a safety checkpoint for non stock pipes once in a blue moon I'll just chalk it up as a riding tax.
Road Master
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The SCOTUS has said it is Constitutional several times, and I'm quite sure that those who have studied the Constitution for most of their adult lives understand it better than any of us.
Whatever you may feel about their decisions, none of those nine could ever be called a dim bulb.
Whatever you may feel about their decisions, none of those nine could ever be called a dim bulb.
Last edited by spiker; Jun 28, 2012 at 12:14 PM.
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From: Boca Raton, FL
folks come on down to DAYTONA we love your money!
you won't get any bullshit motorocycle only check points and the cops won't bother you, unless you are asking for them to come over to you
usually there are a few aholes in the crowd that just LOVE the sound of their own exhaust and just have to listen to it over everyone else while they are stopped in traffic, so the love to REVVVVVV their bikes up, which is great for an air cooled bike sitting in stopped traffic BTW, but that usually rings the doorbell of the POPO and will usually get you a talking to, possibly a ticket
other than that, burnouts, wheelies or other stupid **** on the roads that actually will endanger other vehicles on the road - the cops will leave you alone
seriously, loud pipes are a safety concern?
maybe a nuscence or something like that, but SAFETY.....haha!
I can tell you what loud pipes are, they are apparently a money maker in upstate NY!
you won't get any bullshit motorocycle only check points and the cops won't bother you, unless you are asking for them to come over to you
usually there are a few aholes in the crowd that just LOVE the sound of their own exhaust and just have to listen to it over everyone else while they are stopped in traffic, so the love to REVVVVVV their bikes up, which is great for an air cooled bike sitting in stopped traffic BTW, but that usually rings the doorbell of the POPO and will usually get you a talking to, possibly a ticket
other than that, burnouts, wheelies or other stupid **** on the roads that actually will endanger other vehicles on the road - the cops will leave you alone
seriously, loud pipes are a safety concern?
maybe a nuscence or something like that, but SAFETY.....haha!
I can tell you what loud pipes are, they are apparently a money maker in upstate NY!
Road Warrior
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From: Raleigh, NC
Yea, that's me. A 58 year old computer programmer who moonlights as a cop.
Sorry (for you) that I have brains that I use to read and think with instead of just hollering "rights violation" every time there's something happening that I don't like.
You fit right in with the rest of the brain-dead masses, your rights constantly being violated yet not being able to enumerate what those rights are.
Grow up.
Sorry (for you) that I have brains that I use to read and think with instead of just hollering "rights violation" every time there's something happening that I don't like.
You fit right in with the rest of the brain-dead masses, your rights constantly being violated yet not being able to enumerate what those rights are.
Grow up.
Road Warrior
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From: Raleigh, NC
However, that doesn't mean that all SCOTUS decisions are trash either.
Many seem to forget that riding or driving on any public road in this country is a privilege, not a right.
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From: Adirondack Mountains
mmancuso,
We realize that the courts have generally been upholding these police actions.
We also believe they are intruding on our lives, our liberty, & our pursuit of happiness.
Liquor was legal, liquor was prohibited, now liquor is legal.
Women couldn't vote, blacks couldn't vote, now they vote.
Whether by legislation or by court rulings, bad laws can change.
The 1st step is to object.
We realize that the courts have generally been upholding these police actions.
We also believe they are intruding on our lives, our liberty, & our pursuit of happiness.
Liquor was legal, liquor was prohibited, now liquor is legal.
Women couldn't vote, blacks couldn't vote, now they vote.
Whether by legislation or by court rulings, bad laws can change.
The 1st step is to object.
Last edited by hollowpoint; Jul 2, 2012 at 10:07 AM.
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From: Chandler, Arizona
Originally Posted by BarneyFife
Personally, it twisted my stomach when I read their decision, and of course it was a split court....which means some hope for the future.
However, that doesn't mean that all SCOTUS decisions are trash either.
Many seem to forget that riding or driving on any public road in this country is a privilege, not a right.
However, that doesn't mean that all SCOTUS decisions are trash either.
Many seem to forget that riding or driving on any public road in this country is a privilege, not a right.
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From: anacoco, la
Yea, that's me. A 58 year old computer programmer who moonlights as a cop.
Sorry (for you) that I have brains that I use to read and think with instead of just hollering "rights violation" every time there's something happening that I don't like.
You fit right in with the rest of the brain-dead masses, your rights constantly being violated yet not being able to enumerate what those rights are.
Grow up.
Sorry (for you) that I have brains that I use to read and think with instead of just hollering "rights violation" every time there's something happening that I don't like.
You fit right in with the rest of the brain-dead masses, your rights constantly being violated yet not being able to enumerate what those rights are.
Grow up.