Is This Wrench Crazy?
Road Warrior
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RE: Is This Wrench Crazy?
He is correct. The 07 bikes use a closed-loop system that is able to adjust to the changes. You can just put on a a/c and slip-ons and the fuel map will adjust.
However, in that situation you still retain the stock map that was designed to be EPA compliant and lean in certain spots. You can probably gain a few more ponies by having someone do a good custom map. However, the cost for the custom map may not be worth the price of the 2-3 extra hp you might get.
It's your choice to make, but a PCIII/remap/SERT is NOT necessary on a 07 bike.
You could have always done that, even on the carbed bike. Adding just pipes didn't make enough of a change to ever require you to rejet or remap. It's when you added the high-flowing a/c that a remap/rejet was necessary.
However, in that situation you still retain the stock map that was designed to be EPA compliant and lean in certain spots. You can probably gain a few more ponies by having someone do a good custom map. However, the cost for the custom map may not be worth the price of the 2-3 extra hp you might get.
It's your choice to make, but a PCIII/remap/SERT is NOT necessary on a 07 bike.
As far as I know, all that you can add without some kind of fuel management is pipes.
Road Warrior
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From: Grand Island , New York
RE: Is This Wrench Crazy?
You are 100% wrong ! Please do your research ! YES THIS IS IN CAPS , DO NOT WASTE MONEY ON THE HARLEY DOWNLOADS ! they are junk e.p.a. regulated.
I would break the bike in bone stock {900 to 1000 miles} In the mean-time find some pipes or slip ons you like , get a power commander III from fuel moto . he will set it up for you for free , and last a screaming eagle or big sucker air filter.All this work can be done by yourself , and is very easy.
I would break the bike in bone stock {900 to 1000 miles} In the mean-time find some pipes or slip ons you like , get a power commander III from fuel moto . he will set it up for you for free , and last a screaming eagle or big sucker air filter.All this work can be done by yourself , and is very easy.
ORIGINAL: 1200c
He is correct. The 07 bikes use a closed-loop system that is able to adjust to the changes. You can just put on a a/c and slip-ons and the fuel map will adjust.
However, in that situation you still retain the stock map that was designed to be EPA compliant and lean in certain spots. You can probably gain a few more ponies by having someone do a good custom map. However, the cost for the custom map may not be worth the price of the 2-3 extra hp you might get.
It's your choice to make, but a PCIII/remap/SERT is NOT necessary on a 07 bike.
You could have always done that, even on the carbed bike. Adding just pipes didn't make enough of a change to ever require you to rejet or remap. It's when you added the high-flowing a/c that a remap/rejet was necessary.
He is correct. The 07 bikes use a closed-loop system that is able to adjust to the changes. You can just put on a a/c and slip-ons and the fuel map will adjust.
However, in that situation you still retain the stock map that was designed to be EPA compliant and lean in certain spots. You can probably gain a few more ponies by having someone do a good custom map. However, the cost for the custom map may not be worth the price of the 2-3 extra hp you might get.
It's your choice to make, but a PCIII/remap/SERT is NOT necessary on a 07 bike.
As far as I know, all that you can add without some kind of fuel management is pipes.
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RE: Is This Wrench Crazy?
I am retracting my previous comments. This whole issue is so up in the air, and there are so many variables, that I don't think a valid statement can yet be made one way or the other.
Philip
Philip
Road Warrior
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RE: Is This Wrench Crazy?
That's what I was talking about , I have a friend that runs the HD service dept. the 07 will NOT adjust to the changes you stated . We took my stock bike with just slip ons and put it on the dyno , the results were way too lean . If you put a free flowing air filter on it without a change to the air fuel ratio {power commander} you will surely burn up the engine.
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RE: Is This Wrench Crazy?
i am still waiting on my bike to get in. but in the mean time i have ordered the SE touring exhaust and SE AC. 2 of the parts/service people at my dealer said the brain would be able to adjust in its band with just those addons. if i went with the V&Hs or Rhineharts then i would have to get either the pcIII or SERT. i have been thinking this over and reading a bunch of upgrade posts and i am still thinking i should pick up a SERT while im at it. i dont want to lean out the bike even more than stock but if the stock map can adjust then maybe it would be alright. as far as exhaust goes, im not looking for big loud or crazy hp & tq gains. just to be noticed if somebody forgets im there and still low enough to cruise for long times without any louder ringing in my ears.
Road Warrior
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RE: Is This Wrench Crazy?
Go with the SERT (on the '07s) as it will allow you to use the 02 sensors and will adjust to changes in climate, altitude, etc. 02 sensors area greattechnology that you are unable to use with PCIII. If you change the air cleaner you will need to adjust the air/fuel mixture with a SERT
God Bless and ride safe,
God Bless and ride safe,
Road Warrior
Joined: Aug 2006
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From: Grand Island , New York
RE: Is This Wrench Crazy?
Its not rocket science , I will never go back to a carb , the advantages of a fuel injected bike outweigh anything a carb can provide. bye choke , long warn ups .
Remember when our cars had carbs ? LOL
Remember when our cars had carbs ? LOL
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RE: Is This Wrench Crazy?
The O2's do little as is. They are narrowband and are only doing anything at about idle. Plus the whole system is Open loop anyway. Meaning it does little if any self tuning.
PCIII is fine with the 07's. But yeah, the SERT is too...
lp
PCIII is fine with the 07's. But yeah, the SERT is too...
lp
ORIGINAL: JeffSG
Go with the SERT (on the '07s) as it will allow you to use the 02 sensors and will adjust to changes in climate, altitude, etc. 02 sensors area greattechnology that you are unable to use with PCIII. If you change the air cleaner you will need to adjust the air/fuel mixture with a SERT
God Bless and ride safe,
Go with the SERT (on the '07s) as it will allow you to use the 02 sensors and will adjust to changes in climate, altitude, etc. 02 sensors area greattechnology that you are unable to use with PCIII. If you change the air cleaner you will need to adjust the air/fuel mixture with a SERT
God Bless and ride safe,
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RE: Is This Wrench Crazy?
ORIGINAL: lp
The O2's do little as is. They are narrowband and are only doing anything at about idle. Plus the whole system is Open loop anyway. Meaning it does little if any self tuning.
PCIII is fine with the 07's. But yeah, the SERT is too...
lp
The O2's do little as is. They are narrowband and are only doing anything at about idle. Plus the whole system is Open loop anyway. Meaning it does little if any self tuning.
PCIII is fine with the 07's. But yeah, the SERT is too...
lp
Have to disagree with your statement. Below is the desired A/F Ratio from a SERT Stage 1 Touring Map. Any cell that will accept a value of 14.6 will request the system to operate in Closed Loop.
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