Do you shift without the clutch?
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From: Niles Canyon Ca.
From first to second I always use the clutch. From there up I shift a lot of times without the clutch - I leave off the throttle a little bit and it goes right into gear - Same thing for shifting down....
BTW most over the road truckers do the same thing on 9-15speed transmissions - A couple of ours were well over 1 million miles and 70% of the time the driver was shifting up/down without a clutch.
BTW most over the road truckers do the same thing on 9-15speed transmissions - A couple of ours were well over 1 million miles and 70% of the time the driver was shifting up/down without a clutch.
World of difference in the gear boxes and the size and durability of what's inside , a 15 speed runs about 400 lbs while the average HD tranny is about 30 think about it .
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I don't get most of the reasons why folks don't use the clutch. Other than those with arthritis so bad it hurts to do it. If that were my concern I think I'd have the clutch adjusted so I didn't have to pull it in very far. The rest of it sounds like folks are too lazy to use it.
How big of a pain in the *** is it to use the clutch?
How big of a pain in the *** is it to use the clutch?
Last edited by patrickd; Oct 27, 2012 at 10:49 AM.
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So your a mechanic with a lifetime of experience inside harley motors & trannies ? Or you just another owner with lots of money who lets somebody else deal with the trivial stuff like fixing your bike ?
I did say to each their own a couple times didn't I ??????????
I did say to each their own a couple times didn't I ??????????
You know for the life of me, I dont know why I come in here and try to share information.
In all honesty I dont care if you dont want to shift without a clutch. OP ask if anyone did.
You are absolutely right I am not a Harley mechanic. And only do a minimal work on my bike.
I did write a how to on how to change your spark plugs a couple of years ago.
http://www.aimag.com/forums/harley-t...ement-how.html
And one about detailing your bike and how to install plastic chrome.
http://www.aimag.com/forums/harley-m...il-bagger.html
So I will shut my mouth and let you guys go back to your threads about how you change your oil every thousand miles, run nitrogen in your tires, get back to your pusificatin threads.
After all I am getting to lazy to type anyway.
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You know for the life of me, I don’t know why I come in here and try to share information.
In all honesty I don’t care if you don’t want to shift without a clutch. OP ask if anyone did.
You are absolutely right I am not a Harley mechanic. And only do a minimal work on my bike.
I did write a how to on how to change your spark plugs a couple of years ago.
http://www.aimag.com/forums/harley-t...ement-how.html
And one about detailing your bike and how to install plastic chrome.
http://www.aimag.com/forums/harley-m...il-bagger.html
So I will shut my mouth and let you guys go back to your threads about how you change your oil every thousand miles, run nitrogen in your tires, get back to your pusificatin threads.
After all I am getting to lazy to type anyway.
In all honesty I don’t care if you don’t want to shift without a clutch. OP ask if anyone did.
You are absolutely right I am not a Harley mechanic. And only do a minimal work on my bike.
I did write a how to on how to change your spark plugs a couple of years ago.
http://www.aimag.com/forums/harley-t...ement-how.html
And one about detailing your bike and how to install plastic chrome.
http://www.aimag.com/forums/harley-m...il-bagger.html
So I will shut my mouth and let you guys go back to your threads about how you change your oil every thousand miles, run nitrogen in your tires, get back to your pusificatin threads.
After all I am getting to lazy to type anyway.
Speed shifting on bike is racers thing and like it or not the bikes that get beat like that go whack sooner or later , I've blown a couple trannies doing it personally street racing and acting a fool .
Ride your bike how you see fit brother just don't be blowing smoke up newbies asses in here telling everybody it's all wine & roses to mistreat a scooter .
Last edited by TwiZted Biker; Oct 27, 2012 at 03:40 PM.
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The japanese bikes I have had can be shifted with out the clutch much easier than my WD, seems to be just a bunch of weight going around in the HD tranny, and it's not as fond of shifting as the rice burners with their lighter gear sets.
But if you have it down, sure you can skip the clutch.
But if you have to ask, I wouldn't.
I use the clutch because I want to put speed parts in the motor, not new tranny parts because I missed a shift.
Choice is yours.
Al
But if you have it down, sure you can skip the clutch.
But if you have to ask, I wouldn't.
I use the clutch because I want to put speed parts in the motor, not new tranny parts because I missed a shift.
Choice is yours.
Al
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Don't get butt hurt because somebody has more piratical experience in the relevant fields this topic is all about . Yes you can do it all day long but it honestly isn't good for a motorcycle transmission for more reasons than I have time to type out in here . There's worlds of basic mechanical differences between the smaller lighter gears boxes on our rides than even the smallest car much less the monster boxes on heavy trucks .
Speed shifting on bike is racers thing and like it or not the bikes that get beat like that go whack sooner or later , I've blown a couple trannies doing it personally street racing and acting a fool .
Ride your bike how you see fit brother just don't be blowing smoke up newbies asses in here telling everybody it's all wine & roses to mistreat a scooter .
Speed shifting on bike is racers thing and like it or not the bikes that get beat like that go whack sooner or later , I've blown a couple trannies doing it personally street racing and acting a fool .
Ride your bike how you see fit brother just don't be blowing smoke up newbies asses in here telling everybody it's all wine & roses to mistreat a scooter .
Got 145k on the bike.
I have never tried to talk anyone into doing it, that is their choice.
I dont feel it is any worse on the trans than when you clunk the trans in first when it is cold.
I never said it was good for the bike.
I do it because of my arthritis acts up.
I will add I am not talking about shifting under drag conditions, I am talking about cruising down the road and letting off the gas and nudging it into the next gear.
You are the one trying to make this a pissing contest, by implying I never work on my own bike, when you can see by my links that I do.
Last my feeling have never been hurt, I just find it amusing when you try to share information in here how many internet experts come out of the wood work, giving their advice on what they wont/don't do.
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From: Niles Canyon Ca.
Let me review what I have said; I do it all the time, not every shift but a lot.
Got 145k on the bike.
I have never tried to talk anyone into doing it, that is their choice.
I dont feel it is any worse on the trans than when you clunk the trans in first when it is cold.
I never said it was good for the bike.
I do it because of my arthritis acts up.
I will add I am not talking about shifting under drag conditions, I am talking about cruising down the road and letting off the gas and nudging it into the next gear.
You are the one trying to make this a pissing contest, by implying I never work on my own bike, when you can see by my links that I do.
Last my feeling have never been hurt, I just find it amusing when you try to share information in here how many internet experts come out of the wood work, giving their advice on what they wont/don't do.
Got 145k on the bike.
I have never tried to talk anyone into doing it, that is their choice.
I dont feel it is any worse on the trans than when you clunk the trans in first when it is cold.
I never said it was good for the bike.
I do it because of my arthritis acts up.
I will add I am not talking about shifting under drag conditions, I am talking about cruising down the road and letting off the gas and nudging it into the next gear.
You are the one trying to make this a pissing contest, by implying I never work on my own bike, when you can see by my links that I do.
Last my feeling have never been hurt, I just find it amusing when you try to share information in here how many internet experts come out of the wood work, giving their advice on what they wont/don't do.