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Road Captain
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From: New Brunswick, Canada
It's not the closer dealer,it's the dealer that is 5 hours away,my "local" dealer is 2 hours away,the local dealer is only offering 1000 off any HD,but the farthest dealer is offering 2000 off,but said he won't sell to me cause I already have a dealer in my area,and yes we have the Better Business Bureau that can look into things like this for us.I emalied the GM from the one farthest away and asked him if we can do business,I await his reply.You can see for yourself it's Redrock Harley Davidson.
Last edited by crazyanimal; Jun 23, 2014 at 06:15 PM.
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From: Calmar, Alberta
That's crap. The two dealers in Edmonton get an equal share of my business. The one on the south end doesn't care that I live blocks away from the other. As long as I'm putting money in their pockets.
You're in NB and the dealer is in PEI right? Could it be a provincial taxation thing? Thought everyone east of the St Lawrence got hosed with HST. Come on out to AB. Save yourself a tax (GST only here!) and make a road trip out of it. Lots on new SGs on the floors here.
You're in NB and the dealer is in PEI right? Could it be a provincial taxation thing? Thought everyone east of the St Lawrence got hosed with HST. Come on out to AB. Save yourself a tax (GST only here!) and make a road trip out of it. Lots on new SGs on the floors here.
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Can you believe it. I am looking a 2014 Streetglide but I can't shop around according to one HD dealer in PEI. Red Rock HD has a 1500 in store credit if you buy any touring model during the month of June, all other dealers are offering only 1000 on any HD bike, plus 3.99% financing on all new HD's, so one would think I'll go there and get a good deal right, WRONG. I called and spoke to the GM and he said I should stay within my area, I have a HD dealer 2 hours away from where I live, RedRock is about 5 hours away but has the better deal. I asked some questions and found out that the HD dealers have some type of agreement to not sell to someone not in there area. The GM told me this himself, so even though RedRock is offering better deals I can't take advantage of them, I have to stay in NB and, this is n' buy from the "local" dealer. I'm so pissed I might just say f you and go to the bank and buy one in Maine, they don"t care one bit, it's pretty easy to get a used bike across the border.
Rant over.
Rant over.
What the OP describes is collusion.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collusion
I am unfamiliar with Canadian law, but, collusion is illegal in the US.
These practices are only cutting the dealers noses to cut their faces when Canadians can just as easily purchase bikes across the border. It may cost a bit more but it would f*ck the dealer. If the dealers don't care.... great, their loss.
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I take it most of you wernt riding in the 70s-----------The moco had the same rules here in the US and it was reinforced quite strictly at least here in the mid west. I was riding thru to KC from here in CO and broke down in HAYs ks and they had a bagger I tried to trade for and they wouldn't talk about it. several years later at a dealer I buy some from in CO a friend who had since moved to KS broke down and wanted rid of his for a new one. IT finally got done but both dealers had to handle the sale.
Lots of equipment lines do the same--------just to check it out walk in or even call in to your local cummins shop and tell them you want to buy parts and you are out of state and see what he says
Lots of equipment lines do the same--------just to check it out walk in or even call in to your local cummins shop and tell them you want to buy parts and you are out of state and see what he says
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Actually, this isn't "price fixing" although you are on the right track. Price fixing would be if all the dealers got together and agreed to sell all bikes for twice MSRP. That isn't what is happening here.
What the OP describes is collusion.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collusion
I am unfamiliar with Canadian law, but, collusion is illegal in the US.
These practices are only cutting the dealers noses to cut their faces when Canadians can just as easily purchase bikes across the border. It may cost a bit more but it would f*ck the dealer. If the dealers don't care.... great, their loss.
What the OP describes is collusion.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collusion
I am unfamiliar with Canadian law, but, collusion is illegal in the US.
These practices are only cutting the dealers noses to cut their faces when Canadians can just as easily purchase bikes across the border. It may cost a bit more but it would f*ck the dealer. If the dealers don't care.... great, their loss.
From the FTC website. I don't know what the law calls it in Canada but here the law calls it price fixing.
" Illegal price fixing occurs whenever two or more competitors agree to take actions that have the effect of raising, lowering or stabilizing the price of any product or service without any legitimate justification."
Price fixing relates not only to prices, but also to other terms that affect prices to consumers, such as shipping fees, warranties, discount programs, or financing rates. Antitrust scrutiny may occur when competitors discuss the following topics:
Present or future prices
Pricing policies
Promotions
Bids
Costs
Capacity
Terms or conditions of sale, including credit terms
Discounts
Identity of customers
Allocation of customers or sales areas
Production quotas
R&D plans
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franchise areas were protected--------might still be that way out of the US.
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3408pete,that's what I'm guessing here ,they don't want to start a war sort of speak,but then they shouldn't be offering any more of a deal than the other HD dealers are.I work in sales myself and have a protected area,but the price of goods is the same for everyone,alot depends on how keen you are as a rep as to the money you can earn.
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Back in the days when Harleys were semi hard to get the dealers could price at whatever they pleased it seems. The 2 dealers in my previous post were kind of the odd part of the equation. The dealer with big inventory was always way higher priced. The KS dealer which rarely had in stock inventory was way cheaper. Either way back in that time frame $3000 over list for what you wanted when you wanted it happened more than you might think. When the dealer in KS had what I wanted for $3000 cheaper I really wanted it lol. I still frequent both of them and would buy from the both of them