Turn Over Engine Without Sparking
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Turn Over Engine Without Sparking
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A couple of people have told me to fogg the cylinders and then run the starter without the plugs working to distribute the oil. They don't actually mean with the plugs out right. Should I just disconnect them? How is this done normally.
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A couple of people have told me to fogg the cylinders and then run the starter without the plugs working to distribute the oil. They don't actually mean with the plugs out right. Should I just disconnect them? How is this done normally.
Thanks.
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Remove spark plugs from engine and put them in their cables taped together away from engine ground so they won't fire. May be able to remove ignition fuse but haven't tried this on my '01. Kept two bikes in storage for 14 months without having to go through a bunch of "procedures" exc. gas inhibitor and removing the batteries, though.
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In the past, I have fogged the cylinders and then with the rear wheel off the ground and with the bike in 4th or 5th gear, I've spun the rear tire a few times to run the pistons up and down the cylinders a few times. (By the way, if it's not convenient to get the rear wheel off the ground, the same thing can be accomplished by just rolling the bike forward and backward a few times.)
The reason I've not used the starter to move the pistons is because I've heard that it can be hard on the electronic ignition to spin the engine with no plugs to fire. (robzuc97 --- is that why you put the plugs back on the wires? If so, don't they still have to be grounded so that the ignition will be able to fire them?)
Finally, I'm wondering if it wouldn't be better NOT to spin the engine after fogging the cylinders. Since fogging oil is very thin, I wonder if running the pistons up and down the cylinders will clean off much of the oil that was just sprayed. Also, let's say the piston was near the top of the cylinder when it was fogged. As the piston moves down the cylinder, I really don't think any oil would be deposited on the cylinder walls.
I'm interested in hearing what others think of all this.
The reason I've not used the starter to move the pistons is because I've heard that it can be hard on the electronic ignition to spin the engine with no plugs to fire. (robzuc97 --- is that why you put the plugs back on the wires? If so, don't they still have to be grounded so that the ignition will be able to fire them?)
Finally, I'm wondering if it wouldn't be better NOT to spin the engine after fogging the cylinders. Since fogging oil is very thin, I wonder if running the pistons up and down the cylinders will clean off much of the oil that was just sprayed. Also, let's say the piston was near the top of the cylinder when it was fogged. As the piston moves down the cylinder, I really don't think any oil would be deposited on the cylinder walls.
I'm interested in hearing what others think of all this.
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In the past, I have fogged the cylinders and then with the rear wheel off the ground and with the bike in 4th or 5th gear, I've spun the rear tire a few times to run the pistons up and down the cylinders a few times. (By the way, if it's not convenient to get the rear wheel off the ground, the same thing can be accomplished by just rolling the bike forward and backward a few times.)
The reason I've not used the starter to move the pistons is because I've heard that it can be hard on the electronic ignition to spin the engine with no plugs to fire. (robzuc97 --- is that why you put the plugs back on the wires? If so, don't they still have to be grounded so that the ignition will be able to fire them?)
Finally, I'm wondering if it wouldn't be better NOT to spin the engine after fogging the cylinders. Since fogging oil is very thin, I wonder if running the pistons up and down the cylinders will clean off much of the oil that was just sprayed. Also, let's say the piston was near the top of the cylinder when it was fogged. As the piston moves down the cylinder, I really don't think any oil would be deposited on the cylinder walls.
I'm interested in hearing what others think of all this.
The reason I've not used the starter to move the pistons is because I've heard that it can be hard on the electronic ignition to spin the engine with no plugs to fire. (robzuc97 --- is that why you put the plugs back on the wires? If so, don't they still have to be grounded so that the ignition will be able to fire them?)
Finally, I'm wondering if it wouldn't be better NOT to spin the engine after fogging the cylinders. Since fogging oil is very thin, I wonder if running the pistons up and down the cylinders will clean off much of the oil that was just sprayed. Also, let's say the piston was near the top of the cylinder when it was fogged. As the piston moves down the cylinder, I really don't think any oil would be deposited on the cylinder walls.
I'm interested in hearing what others think of all this.
Whenever ingition is live and firing on a normal coil setup the wires should be grounded to prevent excess voltage building up in the coil which could damage it. Something to do with rapid heat buildup that could rupture the casing or something like that.
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I like the sound of that, rbabos --- FOG, SPIN, FOG rather than FOG, SPIN or merely FOG.
Thanks also for the explanation of why the starter shouldn't be engaged with the plug wires "hanging loose" without being grounded.
Thanks also for the explanation of why the starter shouldn't be engaged with the plug wires "hanging loose" without being grounded.
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