Torx vs allen
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From: Georgia
Skully, I'm not sayin' you're wrong...I reckon it's possible they made the change just to sell more tools...but doesn't seem likely from the manufacturer's standpoint. Does anybody out there know if torx fasteners are perhaps cheaper to make...?? Perhaps there is a slight advantage in assembly efficiency when using torx versus allens..??
I've been curious about this for years, and would love to see somebody post an explanation that makes more sense than "to sell more tools".
If there isn't one...then Skully's post gets the prize...!!
I've been curious about this for years, and would love to see somebody post an explanation that makes more sense than "to sell more tools".
If there isn't one...then Skully's post gets the prize...!!
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From: Driftless Area
I side with the, "when you have to take them out, replace with socket head cap screws", seem like the wrench seats deeper than with torx, less chance to strip out the head. Of course go with s.s. Also the button head screws seem like they are shallower than socket head, not such a smooth appearance, but if you have to take it apart again you'll be glad.
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"...the button head screws seem like they are shallower than socket head, not such a smooth appearance, but if you have to take it apart again you'll be glad."
Well, Screwsloose...
You've put me in a place wherein I have to make a confession...
As much as I like to pretend that my priorities lie with "function" first and "appearance" last, I've got to admit I choose the "button head" for the appearance! I'd rather keep the better looking (in my opinion) button heads and replace one now and again.
However, THAT being said... When I see the deep head screws on a bike, I'm VERY much aware of the significance (i.e.: Function trumps Appearence!), and am apt to believe that the nature of the builder/owner is reflected in that selection.
"Art" is supposed to be indicative of the nature or feelings of the artist... the artist's "Message" or "Expression" is observed in his/her works! Any person's endeavours (anything (material or ephemeral) that one creates) can be considered his/her "Art"!
Northeastern native peoples would refer to the "Spirit", or the "umph", that someone puts into thier work (or "Nature's" work) as a "Manatou". The "Spirit" of the "Thing"! A Mississippi Bluesman might call it "Soul"!!!
Van Gogh's brush strokes, Mozart's "Riffs", or the selection of deep head over button head, is/are, EACH, a statement of belief, and execution of purpose.
Our actions and creations speak MORE of us, as individuals, as most of us would imagine!
Jim aka kiltiemon (Yes! It's a very deep, heavy, and CHEAP Port that I'm drinking! The above stated observations explain why I enjoy the most reprehensible looking "Rat Bike" every bit as much as the Sleekest, Shiniest "Custom")
Well, Screwsloose...
You've put me in a place wherein I have to make a confession...
As much as I like to pretend that my priorities lie with "function" first and "appearance" last, I've got to admit I choose the "button head" for the appearance! I'd rather keep the better looking (in my opinion) button heads and replace one now and again.
However, THAT being said... When I see the deep head screws on a bike, I'm VERY much aware of the significance (i.e.: Function trumps Appearence!), and am apt to believe that the nature of the builder/owner is reflected in that selection.
"Art" is supposed to be indicative of the nature or feelings of the artist... the artist's "Message" or "Expression" is observed in his/her works! Any person's endeavours (anything (material or ephemeral) that one creates) can be considered his/her "Art"!
Northeastern native peoples would refer to the "Spirit", or the "umph", that someone puts into thier work (or "Nature's" work) as a "Manatou". The "Spirit" of the "Thing"! A Mississippi Bluesman might call it "Soul"!!!
Van Gogh's brush strokes, Mozart's "Riffs", or the selection of deep head over button head, is/are, EACH, a statement of belief, and execution of purpose.
Our actions and creations speak MORE of us, as individuals, as most of us would imagine!
Jim aka kiltiemon (Yes! It's a very deep, heavy, and CHEAP Port that I'm drinking! The above stated observations explain why I enjoy the most reprehensible looking "Rat Bike" every bit as much as the Sleekest, Shiniest "Custom")
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From: Shelbyville, KY
This is the reason why Torx head bolts are used
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For an "on road" tool kit, I try to enconomize on size and weight.
I use a 1/4" drive ratchet with a "jump up" adaptor for 3/8" sockets. I also do NOT carry torx and allen wrenches or screwdrivers, but use those little torx and allen and screwdriver "nubbs". They will fit into a 1/4 inch socket. Press a small magnet into the end of the socket with just a dab of JB Weld to hold it... The torx/allen/phillips screw and straight screw "nubbs" won't accidentally fall out while in use. The "nubbs" all fit into a small pill bottle.
Jim aka kiltiemon
I use a 1/4" drive ratchet with a "jump up" adaptor for 3/8" sockets. I also do NOT carry torx and allen wrenches or screwdrivers, but use those little torx and allen and screwdriver "nubbs". They will fit into a 1/4 inch socket. Press a small magnet into the end of the socket with just a dab of JB Weld to hold it... The torx/allen/phillips screw and straight screw "nubbs" won't accidentally fall out while in use. The "nubbs" all fit into a small pill bottle.
Jim aka kiltiemon
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