2000 Road King Classic - No spark
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Hello and welcome.
It would appear that you have a 2000 Road King Classic.
A fuel injected bike, of unknown ownership length and unknown miles.
We also do not know if there are any changes from stock like engine modifications, air box, pipes or fuel adders.
It might be a California bike with additional pollution controls but that information is unknown.
We do not know if all electrical functions are working ...lights, fuel pump, hazard lights
We know:
#1 You ran out of gas
#2 For some reason battery went dead but we do not know time between out of gas and jump start as the two items should be unrelated.
#3 We do not know your definition of jump start...was donor vehicle running ? was it a jump box?..hopefully the donor vehicle was NOT running while you attempted to crank bike.
#4 Was battery load tested? to be clear..did you carry battery to a shop to be load tested? voltage means little if there are not enough amps...how do you know battery is OK?
#5 You state that you checked fuses..Did you remove them from holder one by one and check fuse for continuity?
#6 Did you remove the battery from bike and re-install or did you disconnect both battery cables and re-install?
Is there any chance bike was dropped on its side or laid down on its side and requires a reset?
It would appear that you have a 2000 Road King Classic.
A fuel injected bike, of unknown ownership length and unknown miles.
We also do not know if there are any changes from stock like engine modifications, air box, pipes or fuel adders.
It might be a California bike with additional pollution controls but that information is unknown.
We do not know if all electrical functions are working ...lights, fuel pump, hazard lights
We know:
#1 You ran out of gas
#2 For some reason battery went dead but we do not know time between out of gas and jump start as the two items should be unrelated.
#3 We do not know your definition of jump start...was donor vehicle running ? was it a jump box?..hopefully the donor vehicle was NOT running while you attempted to crank bike.
#4 Was battery load tested? to be clear..did you carry battery to a shop to be load tested? voltage means little if there are not enough amps...how do you know battery is OK?
#5 You state that you checked fuses..Did you remove them from holder one by one and check fuse for continuity?
#6 Did you remove the battery from bike and re-install or did you disconnect both battery cables and re-install?
Is there any chance bike was dropped on its side or laid down on its side and requires a reset?
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Jefe Chacon (02-27-2019)
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you have a short on the speed sensor line - You should recheck fuses - especially accy.
CODE - TROUBLE - WIRE COLOR
d01 - speed sensor power output shorted low - red
d02 - speed sensor power output shorted high - red
d03 - not used
d04 - not used
d05 - speed sensor return shorted high - white
d06 - speed sensor return shorted low - white
d07 - not used
d08 - peedometer power overvoltage - orange/white
d09 - speed output shorted high - white/green
d10 - speed output shorted low or open - white/green
5 digit number - speedometer pulses per unit"
https://www.hdforums.com/forum/touri...d10-codes.html
CODE - TROUBLE - WIRE COLOR
d01 - speed sensor power output shorted low - red
d02 - speed sensor power output shorted high - red
d03 - not used
d04 - not used
d05 - speed sensor return shorted high - white
d06 - speed sensor return shorted low - white
d07 - not used
d08 - peedometer power overvoltage - orange/white
d09 - speed output shorted high - white/green
d10 - speed output shorted low or open - white/green
5 digit number - speedometer pulses per unit"
https://www.hdforums.com/forum/touri...d10-codes.html
Last edited by Ed Ramberger; 02-26-2019 at 05:53 PM.
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Jefe Chacon (03-01-2019)
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#1 Bike was not dropped
#2 while attempting to ride bike to fuel station, bike ran out of fuel.
#3 After adding 2 gallons of fuel to tank and trying to start bike after about 10 minutes battery went dead.
#4 bike had been parked at friends house for about 4 months without tender connected to battery.
#5 A vehicle pulled up and we attempted to jump start bike with jumper cables with vehicle running.
#6 Walked bike home and put it on battery tender for a couple days, Did not Test battery.
#3 Used test light to check fuses, found relays to be clicking when energized.
#4 Checked for fuel pump function, energizes when ignition turned on.
#5 checked for sprak at Plug wires, No spark. Checked for power at coil connector, Pulsating power at connector when cranking.
#6 Checked for codes (see pic) for displayed code and digital lights blinking red indicating low fuel level on guage.
#7 Bike has Power Commander installed
#8 Bike has Vance & Hines Exhaust with Thunder cones.
#9 Has Stage I Arlen Ness Big Sucker Air cleaner Kit
#10 Has S&S Gear driven Cam Kit
#11 Has Screaming Eagle Big Bore Kit 95"
#12 Has 6 speed transmission
#13 Has Legend Air Ride System.
#13 All lights function
#14 2k miles on engine rebuild and transmission, Power Commander, Exhaust and Air Cleaner kit installation.
#15 bike has 58k miles on odometer
#16 I have owned bike 7 years and had only 500 miles on rebuild and items #7 thru #13 installed when i bought bike.
#17 Bike is from California, Monterey County
#2 while attempting to ride bike to fuel station, bike ran out of fuel.
#3 After adding 2 gallons of fuel to tank and trying to start bike after about 10 minutes battery went dead.
#4 bike had been parked at friends house for about 4 months without tender connected to battery.
#5 A vehicle pulled up and we attempted to jump start bike with jumper cables with vehicle running.
#6 Walked bike home and put it on battery tender for a couple days, Did not Test battery.
#3 Used test light to check fuses, found relays to be clicking when energized.
#4 Checked for fuel pump function, energizes when ignition turned on.
#5 checked for sprak at Plug wires, No spark. Checked for power at coil connector, Pulsating power at connector when cranking.
#6 Checked for codes (see pic) for displayed code and digital lights blinking red indicating low fuel level on guage.
#7 Bike has Power Commander installed
#8 Bike has Vance & Hines Exhaust with Thunder cones.
#9 Has Stage I Arlen Ness Big Sucker Air cleaner Kit
#10 Has S&S Gear driven Cam Kit
#11 Has Screaming Eagle Big Bore Kit 95"
#12 Has 6 speed transmission
#13 Has Legend Air Ride System.
#13 All lights function
#14 2k miles on engine rebuild and transmission, Power Commander, Exhaust and Air Cleaner kit installation.
#15 bike has 58k miles on odometer
#16 I have owned bike 7 years and had only 500 miles on rebuild and items #7 thru #13 installed when i bought bike.
#17 Bike is from California, Monterey County
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#1 Bike was not dropped
#2 while attempting to ride bike to fuel station, bike ran out of fuel.
#3 After adding 2 gallons of fuel to tank and trying to start bike after about 10 minutes battery went dead.
#4 bike had been parked at friends house for about 4 months without tender connected to battery.
#5 A vehicle pulled up and we attempted to jump start bike with jumper cables with vehicle running.
#6 Walked bike home and put it on battery tender for a couple days, Did not Test battery.
#3 Used test light to check fuses, found relays to be clicking when energized.
#4 Checked for fuel pump function, energizes when ignition turned on.
#5 checked for sprak at Plug wires, No spark. Checked for power at coil connector, Pulsating power at connector when cranking.
#6 Checked for codes (see pic) for displayed code and digital lights blinking red indicating low fuel level on guage.
#7 Bike has Power Commander installed
#8 Bike has Vance & Hines Exhaust with Thunder cones.
#9 Has Stage I Arlen Ness Big Sucker Air cleaner Kit
#10 Has S&S Gear driven Cam Kit
#11 Has Screaming Eagle Big Bore Kit 95"
#12 Has 6 speed transmission
#13 Has Legend Air Ride System.
#13 All lights function
#14 2k miles on engine rebuild and transmission, Power Commander, Exhaust and Air Cleaner kit installation.
#15 bike has 58k miles on odometer
#16 I have owned bike 7 years and had only 500 miles on rebuild and items #7 thru #13 installed when i bought bike.
#17 Bike is from California, Monterey County
#2 while attempting to ride bike to fuel station, bike ran out of fuel.
#3 After adding 2 gallons of fuel to tank and trying to start bike after about 10 minutes battery went dead.
#4 bike had been parked at friends house for about 4 months without tender connected to battery.
#5 A vehicle pulled up and we attempted to jump start bike with jumper cables with vehicle running.
#6 Walked bike home and put it on battery tender for a couple days, Did not Test battery.
#3 Used test light to check fuses, found relays to be clicking when energized.
#4 Checked for fuel pump function, energizes when ignition turned on.
#5 checked for sprak at Plug wires, No spark. Checked for power at coil connector, Pulsating power at connector when cranking.
#6 Checked for codes (see pic) for displayed code and digital lights blinking red indicating low fuel level on guage.
#7 Bike has Power Commander installed
#8 Bike has Vance & Hines Exhaust with Thunder cones.
#9 Has Stage I Arlen Ness Big Sucker Air cleaner Kit
#10 Has S&S Gear driven Cam Kit
#11 Has Screaming Eagle Big Bore Kit 95"
#12 Has 6 speed transmission
#13 Has Legend Air Ride System.
#13 All lights function
#14 2k miles on engine rebuild and transmission, Power Commander, Exhaust and Air Cleaner kit installation.
#15 bike has 58k miles on odometer
#16 I have owned bike 7 years and had only 500 miles on rebuild and items #7 thru #13 installed when i bought bike.
#17 Bike is from California, Monterey County
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Jefe Chacon (03-01-2019)
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The second #3 ..It would be best to remove fuse from holder and check for continuity.Testing with a light could give a wrong response if tested within socket due to a back feed or short.
#5 Use of jumper cables with vehicle running is a bad idea and has caused electrical damage to bikes in the past due to voltage spikes. The speedometer being the victum of voltage spike.
#6 Remove and test battery...does bike crank ?
Per response from Ed Ramberger it reads like speedometer line took a hit..and ACC fuse broke contact requiring change..
I would review fuses again.
Failing that. I wonder if your bike would start with speed sensor disconnected (plug) and then with speedometer disconnected (plug).
Also keep in mind that just because it has fuel in tank does not mean that fuel is moving....Loose and floating tank liner could be blocking fuel sock and starving bike of fuel.
From a distance:
I think you have a combination of problems.
Ran bike out of fuel which is terrible on a fuel injected bike because the fuel is the coolant for pump.
The fuel tank liner separated from tank and probably has some floating pieces and blocked sock...has anyone ever looked inside tank of this multi-decade old bike?
The jump start from running vehicle caused a fuse to blow and might have caused damage to speedometer or power commander unit.
You did not remove battery for recharge so bike did not reset computer.
Consider taking a step by step approach to diagnosis.
#5 Use of jumper cables with vehicle running is a bad idea and has caused electrical damage to bikes in the past due to voltage spikes. The speedometer being the victum of voltage spike.
#6 Remove and test battery...does bike crank ?
Per response from Ed Ramberger it reads like speedometer line took a hit..and ACC fuse broke contact requiring change..
I would review fuses again.
Failing that. I wonder if your bike would start with speed sensor disconnected (plug) and then with speedometer disconnected (plug).
Also keep in mind that just because it has fuel in tank does not mean that fuel is moving....Loose and floating tank liner could be blocking fuel sock and starving bike of fuel.
From a distance:
I think you have a combination of problems.
Ran bike out of fuel which is terrible on a fuel injected bike because the fuel is the coolant for pump.
The fuel tank liner separated from tank and probably has some floating pieces and blocked sock...has anyone ever looked inside tank of this multi-decade old bike?
The jump start from running vehicle caused a fuse to blow and might have caused damage to speedometer or power commander unit.
You did not remove battery for recharge so bike did not reset computer.
Consider taking a step by step approach to diagnosis.
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Jefe Chacon (03-01-2019)
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Start with verified battery and connections. I would disconnect speed sensor connector and powercommander, verify all fuses and troubleshoot from there. If it starts and runs, hook PC back up and see if it doesn't. If it does, keep PC hooked up. Leave speed sensor disconnected. If code returns, check for issue in bike wiring as opposed to speed sensor side.
Just take a logical approach.
If you have the ability to look for a tach signal when cranking, that will verify CKP signal. If not, the pump and coils should get power when cranking. THey will power up at key on, then turn off until ECM sees crank signal. Just checking CKP for a signal at the connector is not always certain.
Do you have a service manual - that will be a big help. If not, you should obtain one.
Just take a logical approach.
If you have the ability to look for a tach signal when cranking, that will verify CKP signal. If not, the pump and coils should get power when cranking. THey will power up at key on, then turn off until ECM sees crank signal. Just checking CKP for a signal at the connector is not always certain.
Do you have a service manual - that will be a big help. If not, you should obtain one.
Last edited by Ed Ramberger; 02-27-2019 at 09:59 AM.
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