Terminal Velocity vs. Thundermax Closed loop
I too have just fitted the Tmax, I'm not a tech type either, I just read the manual a couple of times then got stuck in! took me an afternoon as I had a starting problem after install, but easily resolved using the full manual and the troubleshooting pages.(in the end it was a wrong setting that i had to change)
I was dreading the computer bit but it was very straightforward to do (I ended up doing it half a dozen times due to my error! so now I can do it easily.
I used an open end standard 7/16 spanner to remove the O2 sensors but a crows foot would make it easier.
Oh I also fitted a Big Sucker air kit the same time and played around with my active exhaust butterfly (My bike is an international model) so it can easily be done.
I would highly recommend the Tmax to anyone with an 07, its that much better that the stock ecm and program. I have never had anything else so I can't comment on the others. As far as mileage goes I was getting about 42mpg in stock form. I'm getting around 35 to 38 with the Tmax, big sucker and Fatcat. Before the fat cat I started to play with the map by leaning out the AFR in the cruising RPM/Throttle positions and it appeared to be helping. Before I really knew if it was or not the fatcat came in and I loaded the new map. I really don't know where I'm at milage wise yet. Onething for sure , it's a whole lot more fun to ride and I find myself twisting the throttle alot more so I'm sure thats effecting the mileage. The other thing to consider is everyone says the bikes are set up to lean from the factory so the Tmax richens up the mixture. I don't see how I'm going to get better mileage if thats the case unless I really lean it back out and that seems to me like it's deafeating the purpose in the first place.
If I wanted 50mpg I'd have bought a Prius. I bought this bike to have fun and the Tmax definatley added to the fun factor as far as I'm concerned. My only regret is I should have done it 9,000 miles ago.
You're doing the right thing, research it thoroughly so you don't have the "wish I had of gone the other way" syndrome sitting in the back of your mind. I've only played with the TMAX, so can't offer you any insights into the other systems. Even though I know I could have purchased a system several hundred dollars cheaper, no regrets at all in what I have. I know several things now 1). My bike runs much better than stock 2). My bike is much cooler now than stock. Used to cook my nuts in the summer when I first bought it, that can't be good for an engine over the long run. My plugs look great, the fun factor is off the scale, win/win for me!
[baldjohnny] You're doing the right thing, research it thoroughly so you don't have the "wish I had of gone the other way" syndrome sitting in the back of your mind. I've only played with the TMAX, so can't offer you any insights into the other systems. Even though I know I could have purchased a system several hundred dollars cheaper, no regrets at all in what I have. I know several things now 1). My bike runs much better than stock 2). My bike is much cooler now than stock. Used to cook my nuts in the summer when I first bought it, that can't be good for an engine over the long run. My plugs look great, the fun factor is off the scale, win/win for me!
[bdavis385] By the way shooter64, a member of this forum sells both for a total of $685 (This came from ? Tmax ECM/auto tune $900.00 or...)
Thanks for the tool part # you definetly went out of your way to respond. However, I amin tool sales "Matco Tools"to be exact andI don't know the part # of my 22mm or 7/8" crows feet. I'm sorry that just made me chuckle. Excellent I am going to go to the tmax site.
Questions:
Was the fuel milage better? Why did you need to contact Tmax? Is your bike/rideabillitystock (meaning no major work)? What year is your bike?
Fuel mileage - better by about 2-3MPG, but I am replacing the stock head pipes tomorrow with V&H dresser duals. That "T" in the back cylinder pipe can't be good.
Why did you need to contact Tmax? - I had a bad unit, check my post
Is your bike/rideabilitystock (meaning no major work)? - Just A/C, V&H oval slipons, TMAT
What year is your bike? - 2007
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I've tried a PCIII, the SERT and a Terminal Velocity II. I had problems with the PCIII, and they took it back and gave me a full refund. The SERT worked good but is expensive, and if you ever change anything on your bike, you will have to retune it.
The TVII is an interesting story. I bought one of the original ones that had to be soldered into your wiring harness. The new ones are plug and play. The Bike did run better after breaking it in for 50 miles. My fuel mileage improved quite a bit. But I had intermittent problems with the idle racing sometimes. To make a long story short, I now have the latest TVII (FM220Q), which was exchanged for free by the company. I put it on my new Street Glide. It worked perfect from the get go. All system checks indicated go. After about an hour of riding I could feel the difference in the performance of the engine. It had greater response and ran smoother. My fuel mileage has increased. Best tank to date was 48 mpg.
Down the road I installed a K&N air kit. I didn't have to remap the unit, or have it run on a dyno. I simply rode the bike and it automatically tuned itself up.
The price I paid for the TVII (FM220Q) was $395.00 off of Ebay from AmericanClassicMotors. No additional charges for a dyno run. No laptop needed or big manual to figure out how to remap it.
Did you notice any drop in temperature your engine gives off after you installed the TVII?
Thanks,
RC






