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Old Apr 15, 2009 | 07:26 PM
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Originally Posted by carlgrover
... I've heard of guys pouring water from a hose over the intake to check for leaks. If it sputters, it's leaking ...
The best choice is propane from an unlit!!! propane torch. It is such a fine spray that it will penetrate most leaks. Another popular choice is WD-40 as it too has a fine spray, but propane is the best. Any change in RPM is a leak.

These techniques will, however, find only the more coarse leaks. Very small leaks are missed by these techniques. So best to do a good job of sealing up the intake. I use the T-bolt [also known as aircraft style] clamps both for the intakes and for the exhaust headers.
 
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Old Apr 18, 2009 | 10:52 PM
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Speaking of this problem my 84 does have points and the idle goes up after she gets real hot. The bike checks out okay the the cables not binding and the idle screw goes back to normal position. Now the bike has a s&s carb. Now can the weights be my problem if the idle goes up when she gets really hot not on cool days Oil temp has to be over 200 deg. I am not famliar with the points system and can I visually see if there is a problem I do have a manual for this bike Thanks for your help
 
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Old Apr 19, 2009 | 05:35 AM
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Yeah, the weights are inside behind the points assembly.
 
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Old Apr 19, 2009 | 12:16 PM
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How do you know if the weights are bad
 
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Old Apr 19, 2009 | 12:54 PM
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The weights themselves don't go bad, they just get sticky. My sporty had that problem when I bought it & I just went ahead & did the Mallory Unilite swap. Might try cleaning them with carb cleaner & using a light lube on them. If there's any burrs lnock them down with some light sanding.
 
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Old Apr 19, 2009 | 03:41 PM
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Those little springs that hold the weights back in there have a tendency to break too. The bike won't accelerate worth a durn if the springs break.

If the idle is going up when the bike gets hot, it is not an ignition problem. It is an air leak.
 
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Old Apr 19, 2009 | 05:48 PM
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Wouldn't the spark plugs show that or should I use wd 40 around the intake of the carb
 
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Old Apr 19, 2009 | 07:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Racer_Rick
The weights themselves don't go bad, they just get sticky.
Au contraire... Like any mechanical device, the weights and the pins they ride on can both wear out. The springs can also stretch and/or break. When the unit gets worn, timing can jump all over the place.
 
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Old Apr 19, 2009 | 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted by 98glider
Wouldn't the spark plugs show that or should I use wd 40 around the intake of the carb
So many things, including modern gasoline, affect spark plug color and condition that it is not an easy call. In my experience an exhaust header leak will result in white plugs; i do not know what might be the result on plugs of an intake leak.

The best solvent to use to check for intake leaks is propane. As a pure gas it has the finest particles. WD-40 is used often because it has finer particles than other choices such as carb cleaner etc. But propane is the best choice.

Even propane will identify only larger leaks. None of the usual choices will ID fine leaks.

If an intake leak is suspected the best is to remove then reinstall the carb and mani, using good o-rings/rubber bands, T-bolt style clamps [also referred to as aircraft style clamps], and a carb support bracket.

The T-bolt style clamps are also best to seal up the exhaust headers.
 
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Old Apr 21, 2009 | 04:43 PM
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Should I wait till the bike warms up and check for intake leaks? I checked the bolts on the intake and they were tite but I gave them alittle more. The head doesn't have any bolts Thanks
 
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