'73 Charging system problem
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After re-reading the instructions you posted from the manual, I am assuming that the wires at the generator are to be connected to the "A" and "F" poles in order to conduct this test. Is this correct?[/quote]
Just about finished doing bills. Wow, what fun! Yeah, right. Following the manuals procedure, I believe that My generator is supposed to be wired, when I conduct the "GEN" light ground test. Am I reading that right?
Thanks!
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Just about finished doing bills. Wow, what fun! Yeah, right. Following the manuals procedure, I believe that My generator is supposed to be wired, when I conduct the "GEN" light ground test. Am I reading that right?
Thanks![/quote]
Correct! The generator wires are connected.
The only wires to be removed are the wire (or wires) attached to the regulator terminal marked D+.
Make sure this wire(s) are out in the open touching nothing.
Then do the test.
You are looking to see if the light goes on. If it does, then you have a short and you have to find it.
If the light does not come on then all is well with the signal light not being grounded.
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Correct! The generator wires are connected.
The only wires to be removed are the wire (or wires) attached to the regulator terminal marked D+.
Make sure this wire(s) are out in the open touching nothing.
Then do the test.
You are looking to see if the light goes on. If it does, then you have a short and you have to find it.
If the light does not come on then all is well with the signal light not being grounded.
pg[/quote]
Thanks! I was 90% sure. Figured I'll just take my time, wait for some advice from someone with experience and proceed from there.
Thanks! You guys are great!
By the way, Pinion,
How did you make out on the blinking white dot situation?
The only wires to be removed are the wire (or wires) attached to the regulator terminal marked D+.
Make sure this wire(s) are out in the open touching nothing.
Then do the test.
You are looking to see if the light goes on. If it does, then you have a short and you have to find it.
If the light does not come on then all is well with the signal light not being grounded.
pg[/quote]
Thanks! I was 90% sure. Figured I'll just take my time, wait for some advice from someone with experience and proceed from there.
Thanks! You guys are great!
By the way, Pinion,
How did you make out on the blinking white dot situation?
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By the way, Pinion,
How did you make out on the blinking white dot situation?
Cannot complain actually. This morning the other computer I have running XP was the only one working. Then it quits this morning.
Keyboard will not respond, no matter how many times I reboot.
So I went and did other things to get away from the computers and all the problems.
With a fresh rest I returned to find the XP computer was now responding.
I went next to the unresponding comuter I build this year and managed to get into the BIOS.
There I looked at the boot sequence which had gotten scrambled up, no doubt frome me yanking out the hard drives.
What I found set was to first boot from that blank hard drive sitting in there. DUH......... nothing much is going to happen booting to a blank drive!
So I changed up the boot order where the CD-DVD drive would be first to boot up, followed by one of the hard drives that contains an operating system on it.
I next inserted the new Windows Pro 7 disk and it loaded right up. At one point I had to make a choice of reformatting the empty drive and I chose to do so.
Must have been the right thing to do because I now have a fully working computer with XP, Vista, Windows 7 Trial Evaluation, and Windows Pro 7 operating systems, all inside one case.
Next big job is to load all of my programs and transfer files to the new operating system. That is going to take a bit of work, but I have it by the short hair at this point. Thanks for asking.......
pg
How did you make out on the blinking white dot situation?
Cannot complain actually. This morning the other computer I have running XP was the only one working. Then it quits this morning.
Keyboard will not respond, no matter how many times I reboot.
So I went and did other things to get away from the computers and all the problems.
With a fresh rest I returned to find the XP computer was now responding.
I went next to the unresponding comuter I build this year and managed to get into the BIOS.
There I looked at the boot sequence which had gotten scrambled up, no doubt frome me yanking out the hard drives.
What I found set was to first boot from that blank hard drive sitting in there. DUH......... nothing much is going to happen booting to a blank drive!
So I changed up the boot order where the CD-DVD drive would be first to boot up, followed by one of the hard drives that contains an operating system on it.
I next inserted the new Windows Pro 7 disk and it loaded right up. At one point I had to make a choice of reformatting the empty drive and I chose to do so.
Must have been the right thing to do because I now have a fully working computer with XP, Vista, Windows 7 Trial Evaluation, and Windows Pro 7 operating systems, all inside one case.
Next big job is to load all of my programs and transfer files to the new operating system. That is going to take a bit of work, but I have it by the short hair at this point. Thanks for asking.......
pg
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I'm grounded
Well I definitely have a grounded generator light. It is grounding through the generator. I must have misinterpreted the wiring diagram. I still don't see what I did though.
When preparing to build the harness, I enlarged a copy of the diagram for my bike. Then color coded it. I have taken a picture of the area of the diagram I am confused about.
There are 2 leads coming off of the D+ tab on the regulator. One goes to the armature pole. One goes to the ground of "GEN" light. Rather than running 2 wires< I ran one 12 gauge wire to the generator, from the regulator. Then, up by the neck, I spliced into the 12 gauge wire with a 14 gauge wire and ran that to the ground wire of the "GEN" light.
Regarding the regulator:
I don't know if it makes a difference, but...The diagram shows a regulator that is labeled with D.F. GND. D+ from top to bottom on the right side, and on the left side, on top is an empty pole and on the bottom is B+ . Mine is labeled with a FLD on top GEN in the middle and BAT on the bottom.
I just went to my history on ebay and copied the item description from when I bought the regulator. It is , in fact a replacement for a Delco-Remy.
That is what was on the bike before, but that doesn't mean its right.
When preparing to build the harness, I enlarged a copy of the diagram for my bike. Then color coded it. I have taken a picture of the area of the diagram I am confused about.
There are 2 leads coming off of the D+ tab on the regulator. One goes to the armature pole. One goes to the ground of "GEN" light. Rather than running 2 wires< I ran one 12 gauge wire to the generator, from the regulator. Then, up by the neck, I spliced into the 12 gauge wire with a 14 gauge wire and ran that to the ground wire of the "GEN" light.
Regarding the regulator:
I don't know if it makes a difference, but...The diagram shows a regulator that is labeled with D.F. GND. D+ from top to bottom on the right side, and on the left side, on top is an empty pole and on the bottom is B+ . Mine is labeled with a FLD on top GEN in the middle and BAT on the bottom.
I just went to my history on ebay and copied the item description from when I bought the regulator. It is , in fact a replacement for a Delco-Remy.
Harley Panhead Shovelhead Sportster Voltage Regulator. New 12 Volt regulator made by Lifeline. Replaces old style Delco Remy on Panhead Shovelhead and Sportster. Contact me for shipping.
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By the way, Pinion,
How did you make out on the blinking white dot situation?
Cannot complain actually. This morning the other computer I have running XP was the only one working. Then it quits this morning.
Keyboard will not respond, no matter how many times I reboot.
So I went and did other things to get away from the computers and all the problems.
With a fresh rest I returned to find the XP computer was now responding.
I went next to the unresponding comuter I build this year and managed to get into the BIOS.
There I looked at the boot sequence which had gotten scrambled up, no doubt frome me yanking out the hard drives.
What I found set was to first boot from that blank hard drive sitting in there. DUH......... nothing much is going to happen booting to a blank drive!
So I changed up the boot order where the CD-DVD drive would be first to boot up, followed by one of the hard drives that contains an operating system on it.
I next inserted the new Windows Pro 7 disk and it loaded right up. At one point I had to make a choice of reformatting the empty drive and I chose to do so.
Must have been the right thing to do because I now have a fully working computer with XP, Vista, Windows 7 Trial Evaluation, and Windows Pro 7 operating systems, all inside one case.
Next big job is to load all of my programs and transfer files to the new operating system. That is going to take a bit of work, but I have it by the short hair at this point. Thanks for asking.......
pg
How did you make out on the blinking white dot situation?
Cannot complain actually. This morning the other computer I have running XP was the only one working. Then it quits this morning.
Keyboard will not respond, no matter how many times I reboot.
So I went and did other things to get away from the computers and all the problems.
With a fresh rest I returned to find the XP computer was now responding.
I went next to the unresponding comuter I build this year and managed to get into the BIOS.
There I looked at the boot sequence which had gotten scrambled up, no doubt frome me yanking out the hard drives.
What I found set was to first boot from that blank hard drive sitting in there. DUH......... nothing much is going to happen booting to a blank drive!
So I changed up the boot order where the CD-DVD drive would be first to boot up, followed by one of the hard drives that contains an operating system on it.
I next inserted the new Windows Pro 7 disk and it loaded right up. At one point I had to make a choice of reformatting the empty drive and I chose to do so.
Must have been the right thing to do because I now have a fully working computer with XP, Vista, Windows 7 Trial Evaluation, and Windows Pro 7 operating systems, all inside one case.
Next big job is to load all of my programs and transfer files to the new operating system. That is going to take a bit of work, but I have it by the short hair at this point. Thanks for asking.......
pg
Eggs are great scrambled! Booting sequences?... Not so much! Glad to hear you got it straightened out. All I have is XP Pro on mine. I was installing some C.N.C. programming software on mine that came out at the same time Vista did and for one reason or another the programming software would freeze up while running it on Vista. So I went with XP because I had used the programming software with it. Sounds like you've got a real machine there. Plan on designing your own space shuttle?
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Eggs are great scrambled! Booting sequences?... Not so much! Glad to hear you got it straightened out. All I have is XP Pro on mine. I was installing some C.N.C. programming software on mine that came out at the same time Vista did and for one reason or another the programming software would freeze up while running it on Vista. So I went with XP because I had used the programming software with it. Sounds like you've got a real machine there. Plan on designing your own space shuttle?
The XLCH came with a Bosch regulator.
The XLH with electric starter came with a Delco-Remy regulator.
On a Bosch regulator you remove the wires connected to the 'D+' terminal.
On a Delco-Remy regulator you remove the wires connected to the 'GEN' terminal.
Hope that helps some.
pg
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Uh, I like Tater tots Tuh Huh!
Wait a second! After staring at my diagram a bit longer
... If there were 2 wires running from the regulator, one to the generator, and one to the indicator light...and I were to disconnect them both at the regulator... then ,of course the light wouldn't come on. The path from the light to the regulator would be broken as well as the path from the light to the generator. But, because I have mine spliced at the neck, even though the wire is disconnected at the regulator, ground still has a path. From the indicator light, through the splice, then to the generator. A couple of days ago I disconnected both the tan wire at the regulator on the "GEN" terminal, and the tan wire at the generator on the armature pole. I did this to see if I was grounding out somewhere else in the system. I was not.
That being said, I'm pretty sure my wiring is not grounding out. I guess my question now is, will the fact that I have the indicator light wire spliced in make it impossible to perform any needed testing ?
Thanks!!!
... If there were 2 wires running from the regulator, one to the generator, and one to the indicator light...and I were to disconnect them both at the regulator... then ,of course the light wouldn't come on. The path from the light to the regulator would be broken as well as the path from the light to the generator. But, because I have mine spliced at the neck, even though the wire is disconnected at the regulator, ground still has a path. From the indicator light, through the splice, then to the generator. A couple of days ago I disconnected both the tan wire at the regulator on the "GEN" terminal, and the tan wire at the generator on the armature pole. I did this to see if I was grounding out somewhere else in the system. I was not.That being said, I'm pretty sure my wiring is not grounding out. I guess my question now is, will the fact that I have the indicator light wire spliced in make it impossible to perform any needed testing ?
Thanks!!!
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Well, it appears as though everything is functioning correctly.thank you guys again for walking me through it AND for keeping my brain going in the right direction. Your help ,not only in what to do next, but what to think about next and how to USE that manual have been imperative in this project! THANKS!!!
Lone Star Rally starts this Thursday through Sunday. Saturday is the day I head down there and the weather forecast is sunny with a high of 79°. Perfect!...... if it holds
So Tomorrow, huh? Have fun and enjoy the sunshine for me!
Lone Star Rally starts this Thursday through Sunday. Saturday is the day I head down there and the weather forecast is sunny with a high of 79°. Perfect!...... if it holds
So Tomorrow, huh? Have fun and enjoy the sunshine for me!
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Well, it appears as though everything is functioning correctly.thank you guys again for walking me through it AND for keeping my brain going in the right direction. Your help ,not only in what to do next, but what to think about next and how to USE that manual have been imperative in this project! THANKS!!!
Lone Star Rally starts this Thursday through Sunday. Saturday is the day I head down there and the weather forecast is sunny with a high of 79°. Perfect!...... if it holds
So Tomorrow, huh? Have fun and enjoy the sunshine for me!
Lone Star Rally starts this Thursday through Sunday. Saturday is the day I head down there and the weather forecast is sunny with a high of 79°. Perfect!...... if it holds
So Tomorrow, huh? Have fun and enjoy the sunshine for me!
I need to get away to the Rally. Bad.
Last night the wind and rain tore a 2 inch oak limb off the tree and speared a 1-1/2 inch diameter hole straight through the roof of the house.
Had to get some tin and screw it in place. So far so good.
Man, if it ain't one thing it's 6 just like it!
Looking forward to the escape for a day or so......
pg