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You think Boomers are buying all these $70k Teslas and Monster Trucks? I know Millenials like to poor mouth, but many are getting up in their 30s now and have good paying jobs. Those that can afford it like attractive things just like everyone else. Also, when their boomer parents die, they don't take their loot with them into the ground yannow.
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Their American share is slowing, but their foreign share is rising pretty quick. We have a surplus of nearly new HDs in this country. That ain't the case everywhere on the planet.
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At the same time BMW and Honda both grew in sales in 2018 vs 2017.
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You might want to check out HD's latest sales data. HD was down -10% in the US in 4Q 2018 vs 2017. And they were down Internationally -2.6% in 4Q 2018 vs 2017. Down 10% in the US for all of 2018 vs 2017 and Internationally flat for 2018 vs 2017. See slide 11 http://investor.harley-davidson.com/...1-45a58b29e4e0
At the same time BMW and Honda both grew in sales in 2018 vs 2017.
At the same time BMW and Honda both grew in sales in 2018 vs 2017.
Personally, I'm kinda interested to see the new Street Fighter. I'm hoping they don't make it ill mannered for street riding to play specmanship with other mfgs. 80-100 hp is plenty on that sort of thing and if it could be done by delivering smooth, linear power and low maintenance (i.e. no valve adjust, no belts etc), I think it'd be a blast. Already looks good, though enough with the black on black already.
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And Zeros releases the specs for their new SR-F model.
Base model is $19,000 Top Speed 110 mph, 161 miles in the city, 99 on the highway at 55 mph. And there is an optional Charge Tank to increase the city range to 200 miles.
https://www.slashgear.com/zero-motor...peed-25567316/
Base model is $19,000 Top Speed 110 mph, 161 miles in the city, 99 on the highway at 55 mph. And there is an optional Charge Tank to increase the city range to 200 miles.
https://www.slashgear.com/zero-motor...peed-25567316/
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Needs luggage now to carry my stuff!
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I think this new Zero is flat gorgeous. Can't wait to see what the Lightning looks like. Exciting times for electric motorcycles, for sure!
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The most details so far, and an actual ride report!!
https://www.motorcycle.com/manufactu...irst-ride.html
https://www.motorcycle.com/manufactu...irst-ride.html
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So let me see if I have the latest electric bike capabilities understood. The new Zero will take 2.5 hrs to charge (FAST2 Charger) with the Premium model which costs $21,000. It will have a 124mph top speed. And 200 miles in the city, 98 miles highway, and 130 miles combined range. Installing a Fast 2 Charger in your home will cost thousands. Charging on a normal home outlet will take 4x as long as a FAST2 220v charger.
So assuming you don't want to be caught with a dead battery on the side of the road, you'll either need to be back home or at a charging station within 120 miles on the Premium Model and within 100 miles on the Standard model ($19,000). If you are returning home you'll have about a 50-60 mile range away from your home before you have to head back. If you're going to a charging station, you'll need to hang out for 2.5hrs assuming you aren't waiting for another bike or vehicle to finish charging.
Really??? Does anyone find this to be a desirable recreation vehicle?? Perhaps a cheap commuter vehicle for someone planning to use it for a daily commute but its a pretty expensive toy with very little practical or even recreational use from my perspective.
So assuming you don't want to be caught with a dead battery on the side of the road, you'll either need to be back home or at a charging station within 120 miles on the Premium Model and within 100 miles on the Standard model ($19,000). If you are returning home you'll have about a 50-60 mile range away from your home before you have to head back. If you're going to a charging station, you'll need to hang out for 2.5hrs assuming you aren't waiting for another bike or vehicle to finish charging.
Really??? Does anyone find this to be a desirable recreation vehicle?? Perhaps a cheap commuter vehicle for someone planning to use it for a daily commute but its a pretty expensive toy with very little practical or even recreational use from my perspective.
Last edited by Heatwave; Feb 26, 2019 at 11:39 AM.