When/Will Dealers Remove EV Charging Stations?
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Cant speak to it
I personally havent looked into how the stations work but I have read a lot of the revival post that chargepoint has responsibility for the electric useage. I will check AZ in a few days at dealership I bought from, but I notice here in TN the charge stations are accessible to any vehicle and I see teslas plugged in. I hardly think theyre free. I dont believe TMHD is paying for the station electricity. I wouldnt be surprised if theres not even a lease fee for chargepoint to have the real estate the stations are on.
Nothing is free moneys being made and again, I am reading that to use these stations there is a fee, you can establish an account and have a code or card? Or use a card to access.
Again, I havent looked at the station to see how they work but I am not dumb enough to believe any Tesla or Livewire owner just plugs in at home sure, in public nope.
Nothing is free moneys being made and again, I am reading that to use these stations there is a fee, you can establish an account and have a code or card? Or use a card to access.
Again, I havent looked at the station to see how they work but I am not dumb enough to believe any Tesla or Livewire owner just plugs in at home sure, in public nope.
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From: backwoods
We are in a cash less society, credit card? The one at kwik trip I didn't see a method to pay at plug, but I didn't look. Are they at this point trying to get you to spend money at their bussiness? Tax credits?
I can see restraunts doing to get you to come. They put them in taverns, and we will be set.
I can see restraunts doing to get you to come. They put them in taverns, and we will be set.
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From: backwoods
You can google. Though not all the articles are very clear about paying. I did find this. I did not see a reader at kwik trip, but didn't look hard. But an app would explain it.
The EV charger is three times faster than a typical quick charger and payment can be completed by simply accessing a mobile app. The cooperatives do say a credit card reader is also in the works.
The EV charger is three times faster than a typical quick charger and payment can be completed by simply accessing a mobile app. The cooperatives do say a credit card reader is also in the works.
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From: Idaho Panhandle
The monster in the forest is EV battery fires. Thermal overload, high ambient temperature, momentary electrical spike, vibration, and a dozen other reasons can trigger a fire. EV bike, EV car, EV motorcycle makes no difference. I dont trust it. Ill not take the risk in my garage.
Problem is not solvable with lithium batteries. Especially in a vehicle that experiences road vibrations, high heat cycles, varying charging inputs, and rapid aging. Three years is old for a vehicle battery. Resale should be zero, but it is propped up by regulations.
Current EV technology is not a answer to any issue plaguing mankind. It is a get rich scheme by some, a government power trip by others and a national sham by the media.
I like lithium in some uses, like survival equipment where there is no recharging. I wouldnt let an EV bicycle, motorcycle, golf cart, car, or even a lawnmower park in my garage.
Aside from this, I have no opinion.
Problem is not solvable with lithium batteries. Especially in a vehicle that experiences road vibrations, high heat cycles, varying charging inputs, and rapid aging. Three years is old for a vehicle battery. Resale should be zero, but it is propped up by regulations.
Current EV technology is not a answer to any issue plaguing mankind. It is a get rich scheme by some, a government power trip by others and a national sham by the media.
I like lithium in some uses, like survival equipment where there is no recharging. I wouldnt let an EV bicycle, motorcycle, golf cart, car, or even a lawnmower park in my garage.
Aside from this, I have no opinion.
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From: xyzzy
I personally havent looked into how the stations work but I have read a lot of the revival post that chargepoint has responsibility for the electric useage. I will check AZ in a few days at dealership I bought from, but I notice here in TN the charge stations are accessible to any vehicle and I see teslas plugged in. I hardly think theyre free. I dont believe TMHD is paying for the station electricity. I wouldnt be surprised if theres not even a lease fee for chargepoint to have the real estate the stations are on.
Nothing is free moneys being made and again, I am reading that to use these stations there is a fee, you can establish an account and have a code or card? Or use a card to access.
Again, I havent looked at the station to see how they work but I am not dumb enough to believe any Tesla or Livewire owner just plugs in at home sure, in public nope.
Nothing is free moneys being made and again, I am reading that to use these stations there is a fee, you can establish an account and have a code or card? Or use a card to access.
Again, I havent looked at the station to see how they work but I am not dumb enough to believe any Tesla or Livewire owner just plugs in at home sure, in public nope.
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At the risk of killing the goose that is laying the golden eggs, I can assure you that I have charged our Chevy Bolt many times at TMHD and have never been billed. You do, of course, need a Chargepoint account (free to sign up and then put a few bucks into the account) to activate the charger. Once that is done the electrons flow freely (both figuratively and literally). So far as who is paying for the electrons, I don't know. Of course the Chargepoint station knows how many kwh it has delivered to customers and they could, in turn, reimburse TMHD at the going City of Loveland kwh rate. That might be the case. Or not. All I know is nothing is coming out of my pocket and for that I say thanks. Hope it continues.
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From: backwoods
At many places, I am sure it is. Some places they are doing to get you there. You shop for 20 minutes, you are not using that much $$ power. I was surprised how many I am seeing. You top off for 20 minutes, and finish your trip.
One grocery store I go to has them, I usually stop on my way to my place. I am not buying one today, but never say never.
One grocery store I go to has them, I usually stop on my way to my place. I am not buying one today, but never say never.
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The monster in the forest is EV battery fires. Thermal overload, high ambient temperature, momentary electrical spike, vibration, and a dozen other reasons can trigger a fire. EV bike, EV car, EV motorcycle makes no difference. I don’t trust it. I’ll not take the risk in my garage.
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"There were 1529.9 fires per 100k for gas vehicles and just 25.1 fires per 100k sales for electric vehicles."
By the numbers, EV's are an order of magnitude safer as far as fires are concerned. Source: https://www.autoweek.com/news/a38225...bout-ev-fires/
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From: backwoods
Understanding the technology, I agree with you and understand your concern. However, the data just does not support that fear.
"There were 1529.9 fires per 100k for gas vehicles and just 25.1 fires per 100k sales for electric vehicles."
By the numbers, EV's are an order of magnitude safer as far as fires are concerned. Source: https://www.autoweek.com/news/a38225...bout-ev-fires/
"There were 1529.9 fires per 100k for gas vehicles and just 25.1 fires per 100k sales for electric vehicles."
By the numbers, EV's are an order of magnitude safer as far as fires are concerned. Source: https://www.autoweek.com/news/a38225...bout-ev-fires/
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From: Bothell, WA
Regardless, the government is forcing us to go to EVs. I am glad HD is being forward-thinking about this, and developing the products.