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Old Nov 19, 2019 | 11:59 AM
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Just thought I'd pass this along. Spoke with Fuel Moto and wanted to asked them - new bike - what can I do performance wise and not void the warranty. First thing FM asked is if the bike has RDRS which I replied yes. FM said slip-ons are the only mod I can do due to RDRS. Anything else you do to increase torque - the RDRS system will reduce the torque down to stock levels. They said all I can do is give my bike alittle more sound and that's it. FYI
 
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Just thought I'd pass this along. Spoke with Fuel Moto and wanted to asked them - new bike - what can I do performance wise and not void the warranty. First thing FM asked is if the bike has RDRS which I replied yes. FM said slip-ons are the only mod I can do due to RDRS. Anything else you do to increase torque - the RDRS system will reduce the torque down to stock levels. They said all I can do is give my bike alittle more sound and that's it. FYI
You have been mislead, we currently have several bikes running with Stage I to 124 and 128 engine kits with fully functional RDRS systems. SE also offers kits as well. While the factory warranty is gone that does not mean you cannot do it. The voided warranty issue is no different between an RDRS equipped bike than it is with a non RDRS bike.

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Someone is sure to develop a workaround, but then the warranty issue will probably come into question.
 
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Old Nov 19, 2019 | 12:46 PM
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I don't think the warranty is at question - we all know what that entails by now. OP is stating the RDRS system has certain torque limits and aftermarket mods may go beyond those limits. Then, RDRS sees that and doesn't like it so it reduces the torque back within its happy place.

Simple solution - disable RDRS (or don't buy it in the first place). To me, it's no different than putting mods on a car and traction control/stability control taking over. If you're putting the hammer down and not spinning wheels, the computer isn't going to intervene.
 
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Someone is sure to develop a workaround, but then the warranty issue will probably come into question.
I think TTS Mastertune already has a solution.... And screw the warranty
 
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And screw the warranty
Haha, I'm with you there! But there are a lot of people here seem to need it.
 
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Haha, I'm with you there! But there are a lot of people here seem to need it.
I kinda liked having my engine replaced 3 times under warranty vs my own pocket. But hey, thats just me being my whacky self....
 
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Warranty came in handy when my 17 decided to eat its own lunch as well. Call me crazy, but I decided to have fun with my 18 regardless. Ran perfect, but tore it apart with only 3200 miles and after only 4 months from the time of purchase. Ain't looking back.
 
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Interesting. This "system" is in place on most all late model vehicles. My 2007 Silverado Crew Cab I bought new had it, and they said the same thing, then Blackbear supplied me with a tuned ECM.

My '16 2500HD has it (Traction Control, Stabilitrak, etc) and I am tuned/deleted to the amount of 500/950, still works great! I call it "The Hand of God" in snow storms, I can keep it pinned and never slip a tire in 4-Hi

This is just a minor wrinkle for the bikes, it will all work out.
I think OP, and all the guys with 20s will love it after mods. I might even be jealous.
 
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I don't think the warranty is at question - we all know what that entails by now. OP is stating the RDRS system has certain torque limits and aftermarket mods may go beyond those limits. Then, RDRS sees that and doesn't like it so it reduces the torque back within its happy place.

Simple solution - disable RDRS (or don't buy it in the first place). To me, it's no different than putting mods on a car and traction control/stability control taking over. If you're putting the hammer down and not spinning wheels, the computer isn't going to intervene.
Why not just work with it? It's not like it's something new here. HD has been running with Torque Control Calibrations for a long time now, I cannot remember for sure but they started shortly after they went with Electronic Throttle Control. Most of the aftermarket has just been switching it off and ignoring it, but its there in all the OEM calibrations turned on when the bikes were shipped out by HD. We have spent several years learning and working with it, so that we could understand it and learn to work with it. In 2019 HD released there first Traction Controlled vehicles (Trikes) and in order for it to properly work you needed to keep the system working in Torque Control, so we did and it taught us a lot. Now for 2020 Touring and LiveWire they introduced RDRS which is just more of the same as it was in 2019 Traction Control. They added new features from 2019 but that is to be expected as the auto industry has been using this stuff for years (1996) now. I expect that it going to be released across there entire line of bikes at some point, just as the auto industry moved it across there models back in the late 90's. So you either spend the time to learn it and work with it or you don't, it's your choice. It's here to stay from what we can tell as it's been on several other bike manufactures as well, so the writings been on the walls for sometime now.

 
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