Primary vent causing a different transfer problem?
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Over the past 3.5 years, many people have tried various things. Your thought about the side stand is not original. Someone a few years ago thought transfer may be made worse by putting the bike on the jiffy stand. He experimented by always keeping his bike upright after rides - his experiment failed, there was still transfer. Not to mention there's still UK folks that get transfer and their jiffy stand is on the other side of the bike! lol jk haha (that parts just a joke because someone actually thought that before).
In the 2.5 years that softails have had the M8, no one has admittedly had transfer (and HD admits it according to their latest service bulletin on the issue - no softails are listed under the affected models: https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/tsbs/20...62967-9999.pdf). I am not saying you don't have it, I am merely stating the odds of it are vastly against you. The transmission side cover is different between the hydraulically clutch and the cable clutch, and Stonecold(?) has shown how the fluid pools in the side cover of the hydraulic style cover - the cable cover doesn't have the ability to do such.
The "other" people that have softails and claim these issues have not done what you've done to verify before and after. You get a bunch of people that check the level incorrectly, or see the fluid level down a little bit and assume the level was correct in the first place. The very first step when you see your trans low is to check the primary to see if it's overfilled. If so, remove fluid from primary, add whatever you need to trans so you know you are at correct level (this is what you did - bravo). Others don't do this - they jump on the bandwagon and scream transfer after measuring once. Even in your case, I'd wait to see the trans level off the stick, and then keep checking, because even in my case, I've seen the fluid level in the trans change, so there was probably variability in my measurement as well as how long the bike sat before checking, etc.
In the 2.5 years that softails have had the M8, no one has admittedly had transfer (and HD admits it according to their latest service bulletin on the issue - no softails are listed under the affected models: https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/tsbs/20...62967-9999.pdf). I am not saying you don't have it, I am merely stating the odds of it are vastly against you. The transmission side cover is different between the hydraulically clutch and the cable clutch, and Stonecold(?) has shown how the fluid pools in the side cover of the hydraulic style cover - the cable cover doesn't have the ability to do such.
The "other" people that have softails and claim these issues have not done what you've done to verify before and after. You get a bunch of people that check the level incorrectly, or see the fluid level down a little bit and assume the level was correct in the first place. The very first step when you see your trans low is to check the primary to see if it's overfilled. If so, remove fluid from primary, add whatever you need to trans so you know you are at correct level (this is what you did - bravo). Others don't do this - they jump on the bandwagon and scream transfer after measuring once. Even in your case, I'd wait to see the trans level off the stick, and then keep checking, because even in my case, I've seen the fluid level in the trans change, so there was probably variability in my measurement as well as how long the bike sat before checking, etc.
All under 3500 rpm though. Makes no sense. If it never moved again, I would be a happy camper.
Maybe I checked it wrong somehow. But twice? I changed and checked all the oils in the fall.
Then I took it for a run and checked them all again. Perfect. That was how and when it was stored for the winter.
I checked it again after my first run in the spring. It was fine. Why would I lie?
I haven't changed any oils yet this year and Less than 3,000 kms later it was off the stick? Makes no sense.
Hey, if you say it can't happen? Sorry. It happened. There is some condition where this occurs
If it never happens again, then I will start believing in ghosts. lol. My shop floor is 100% perfectly level.
I don't really need dye to tell if it is off the stick but that does sound like a good idea to prove to people it happened.
I don't need to spend money just to convince anyone. I am not looking for warranty on anything.
I never do. This is the fifth Harley in the family.
I never claimed or even asked for warranty on anything except for a voltage regulator. It only failed when hot.
I was told it would be 2 weeks to get one and check it out. I bought a regulator and did it myself. 2 weeks pfffft.
Turns out they welded the regulator mount crooked cracking it. It caused an open circuit hot.
I spaced the replacement out with 2 washers. No twisting pressure. Healed by me.
The volt meter I mounted to the handlebar told me all I needed to know.
Of course they didn't believe me since it didn't do it cold. So I swallowed that one that I shouldn't have.
When the crank pin packed it in on another. I split the cases and took the crank to a custom shop to fit an S&S pin.
If a Harley part fails, why would I replace it with the same?
I did 2 883-1200 conversions within 6 months of purchase. (back when you ground out the combustion chamber by hand and used 1200 pistons). Perfect. Never a problem.
I did a 1200-1250 Buell headed conversion at 3 months old. Never a problem.
I never asked for nor expected warranty.
I am not pursuing this so this is yet another problem Harley won't have on their list.
If it cost you money to get to the warranty stage how is that warranty?
Nobody is going to ever be beating the snot out of my bike but me. Period.
Just in case you think I am whining for warranty. It is such a minor detail.
If it holds it to the next oil change ((1000) kms away and through the next oil change (5000 kms after that),
then I will blame me for an error somewhere along the line.
If not, I will fix it my way thank you very much.
Just saying in short. Check your oils regularly and never say never.
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