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I've been perfectly happy with HD's TQ cam in my 114, turned an already stump pulling motor into a freight train. Works great for me and all the power and torque is right where I want it. Sure I could get slightly more power out of an aftermarket cam but it quickly just turns into a numbers game with people just chasing arbitrary figures.
...and by looking at those numbers, I feel that is exactly the case...unless one who does the big bore conversions and head work to get to stages 3 and up.
...and by looking at those numbers, I feel that is exactly the case...unless one who does the big bore conversions and head work to get to stages 3 and up.
and even then, the ROI isn't as good as a stage 2. I'm sure that if I had a big bore kit I'd be singing its praises and trying to convince everyone else it's the best thing since sliced bread, but that price tag just doesn't justify the bragging rights to me.
and even then, the ROI isn't as good as a stage 2. I'm sure that if I had a big bore kit I'd be singing its praises and trying to convince everyone else it's the best thing since sliced bread, but that price tag just doesn't justify the bragging rights to me.
and even then, the ROI isn't as good as a stage 2. I'm sure that if I had a big bore kit I'd be singing its praises and trying to convince everyone else it's the best thing since sliced bread, but that price tag just doesn't justify the bragging rights to me.
I picked up 19 hp and 19 tq going from stage 2 to a big bore, seat of the pants is a huge difference in every part of the rpm range, zero regrets, it's awesome!
Yeah a 20% increases is BIG numbers when a stock harley 114 only puts out like 80 hp and 110 tq. Stage two with a good aftermarket cam can dramatically increase those numbers. Thats not really number chasing. Its REAL world useable power.
That said, I wasn't chasing numbers with my cam install. I wanted a better sound that the sewing machine sound stock harleys now have. Sounded like my honda. lol Cam and decatted or aftermarket headers were the only solution to that problem.
Who says you can't ride at 2000 RPM? That's approximately 50 MPH in 6th with stock late model gearing. Maybe I'm lazy, but I know I've gone as slow as 45 ( construction zones) without downshifting.
As far as big bore not worth it, (ROI vs cam only) beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
This is a 2017 RG, stock TB, stock gearing, stock headed, S&S 4.25" big bore top end, TTS175 cam, TTS tuner, V&H power chamber duals with Rinehart 4.5" mufflers, that had adequate torque at 2000 RPM.
Yeah a 20% increases is BIG numbers when a stock harley 114 only puts out like 80 hp and 110 tq. Stage two with a good aftermarket cam can dramatically increase those numbers. Thats not really number chasing. Its REAL world useable power.
That said, I wasn't chasing numbers with my cam install. I wanted a better sound that the sewing machine sound stock harleys now have. Sounded like my honda. lol Cam and decatted or aftermarket headers were the only solution to that problem.
Yeah a 20% increases is BIG numbers when a stock harley 114 only puts out like 80 hp and 110 tq. Stage two with a good aftermarket cam can dramatically increase those numbers. Thats not really number chasing. Its REAL world useable power.
That said, I wasn't chasing numbers with my cam install. I wanted a better sound that the sewing machine sound stock harleys now have. Sounded like my honda. lol Cam and decatted or aftermarket headers were the only solution to that problem.
and even then, the ROI isn't as good as a stage 2. I'm sure that if I had a big bore kit I'd be singing its praises and trying to convince everyone else it's the best thing since sliced bread, but that price tag just doesn't justify the bragging rights to me.
Dosent justify bragging rights to me either, however it is worth every penny to me, lots of power every where. Easy to ride, no need to down shift to pass.
Originally Posted by rigidthumper
Who says you can't ride at 2000 RPM? That's approximately 50 MPH in 6th with stock late model gearing. Maybe I'm lazy, but I know I've gone as slow as 45 ( construction zones) without downshifting. As far as big bore not worth it, (ROI vs cam only) beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
This is a 2017 RG, stock TB, stock gearing, stock headed, S&S 4.25" big bore top end, TTS175 cam, TTS tuner, V&H power chamber duals with Rinehart 4.5" mufflers, that had adequate torque at 2000 RPM.
Exactly. For me, its not bragging rights. Its fun to ride, easy to ride, smiles per mile. 120 torque before 2500 rpm is a riot. 150 torque from 3000 to 5750 rpm is just fun. Worth every bit of the money spent on the build. I have put 21,000 plus miles on the build. My bike has nothing on it to indicate its a big bore.
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