Warranty Or Performance
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From: Inland NW
Alright, I'll be the party pooper.
Take the money you will spend on upgrades and buy a used Suzuki Bandit; I love mine. It's a true hooligan bike with TORQUE!
I like Harleys and own a bunch of them. They are what they are. Instead of trying to make a silk purse out of a sow's ear, just save your money - and your warranty and buy some metric cheap thrills. They're out there and you may be pleasantly surprised.
Take the money you will spend on upgrades and buy a used Suzuki Bandit; I love mine. It's a true hooligan bike with TORQUE!
I like Harleys and own a bunch of them. They are what they are. Instead of trying to make a silk purse out of a sow's ear, just save your money - and your warranty and buy some metric cheap thrills. They're out there and you may be pleasantly surprised.
I do miss my last Hayabusa, if I have to miss a Suzuki...
My sow's ear Harley is a money pit, and I kinda like it that way.
Road Warrior
Joined: Aug 2007
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From: Hell's Gate
When buying new I always go with the extended warranty and it hasn't failed me yet. Three weeks ago i bought a 2021 RKS with the 131 crate and a 4 year warranty. I have a 2012 Road Glide with S&S 124, Ohlins inverted front end, Baker Grudge Box, etc. When I want to go to the strip or rippin through the canyons I'll take the RG out - but for everyday riding and distance - I'm sure the 131 will have plenty of power.
Last edited by Pablo22; Mar 8, 2021 at 08:37 PM.
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From: Dayton OH
Quik, A difference in opinion doesn't equal disrespect. All is good. I stand by my point though that it does not have to be "Warranty OR Performance."
There is a solid difference between SE performance and what the aftermarket can do to be sure. Never any argument there.
Your 2 examples though left your point pretty flat. 110 HP on a warranty shooting Power Vision tuner Red Shift 468 plus plus even if it had 8 pounds more torque. 6 less HP for 8 more torque on a lighter softail. Seems like he would have shot the warranty for no substantial gain.
Example 2 Dyno sheet with the numbers you posted shows a CVO 117 not a 107 then S&S 475 cam with Krome Werks exhaust not an SE stage 2 torque cam and EPA / warranty pipe. ??
There is a solid difference between SE performance and what the aftermarket can do to be sure. Never any argument there.
Your 2 examples though left your point pretty flat. 110 HP on a warranty shooting Power Vision tuner Red Shift 468 plus plus even if it had 8 pounds more torque. 6 less HP for 8 more torque on a lighter softail. Seems like he would have shot the warranty for no substantial gain.
Example 2 Dyno sheet with the numbers you posted shows a CVO 117 not a 107 then S&S 475 cam with Krome Werks exhaust not an SE stage 2 torque cam and EPA / warranty pipe. ??
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Quik, A difference in opinion doesn't equal disrespect. All is good. I stand by my point though that it does not have to be "Warranty OR Performance."
There is a solid difference between SE performance and what the aftermarket can do to be sure. Never any argument there.
Your 2 examples though left your point pretty flat. 110 HP on a warranty shooting Power Vision tuner Red Shift 468 plus plus even if it had 8 pounds more torque. 6 less HP for 8 more torque on a lighter softail. Seems like he would have shot the warranty for no substantial gain.
Example 2 Dyno sheet with the numbers you posted shows a CVO 117 not a 107 then S&S 475 cam with Krome Werks exhaust not an SE stage 2 torque cam and EPA / warranty pipe. ??
There is a solid difference between SE performance and what the aftermarket can do to be sure. Never any argument there.
Your 2 examples though left your point pretty flat. 110 HP on a warranty shooting Power Vision tuner Red Shift 468 plus plus even if it had 8 pounds more torque. 6 less HP for 8 more torque on a lighter softail. Seems like he would have shot the warranty for no substantial gain.
Example 2 Dyno sheet with the numbers you posted shows a CVO 117 not a 107 then S&S 475 cam with Krome Werks exhaust not an SE stage 2 torque cam and EPA / warranty pipe. ??
Road Master
Joined: Feb 2014
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From: TN
VernDiesel, a couple of things. If your pipe is epa legal, it has a cat in it, so your numbers could be a little higher. Second is that although the pipe is epa approved, unless you have a document from the motor company that they have licensed and approved that pipe for your bike, guess what, they could void your warranty. As far as I know the only licensed and approved performance parts the moco allows is SE. Now your dealer may not have an issue, but thats not to say another dealer would, especially if there is an engine issue, or a moco tech inspector has to look at the bike. We all know that the 131 kits fit all of the touring line, but the moco says they will not fit the trikes, why, because they dont want to pay for the licensing and certification, therefore you cant get a warranty if have a trike and want to get the kit., just an example.
Last edited by Wmitz; Mar 9, 2021 at 03:44 PM.
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MoCo will not warranty the pipe itself for defects but since its EPA and CARB 50 state compliant the pipe does not void factory motor warranty. It still had to meet other stipulations and I am to keep my EPA compliance cert card. The pipe was purchased new from the dealership at the time of new bike purchase installed with the stage kit at the dealership and tuned on SE-PST tuner at the dealership. Don't remember if all of those had to be met but I am sure installed by dealership and tuned on SE tuner needed to be. Big fan of the aftermarket and plan to go bigger next winter post warranty. That said I am not at all unhappy with how well this bike runs and performs 14,500 miles. Thanks I am sure to excellent assembly and tuning. Fortunate I am to have a good on point mechanic who has also built for the Harley race team for years.
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MoCo will not warranty the pipe itself for defects but since its EPA and CARB 50 state compliant the pipe does not void factory motor warranty. It still had to meet other stipulations and I am to keep my EPA compliance cert card. The pipe was purchased new from the dealership at the time of new bike purchase installed with the stage kit at the dealership and tuned on SE-PST tuner at the dealership. Don't remember if all of those had to be met but I am sure installed by dealership and tuned on SE tuner needed to be. Big fan of the aftermarket and plan to go bigger next winter post warranty. That said I am not at all unhappy with how well this bike runs and performs 14,500 miles. Thanks I am sure to excellent assembly and tuning. Fortunate I am to have a good on point mechanic who has also built for the Harley race team for years.
Tourer
Joined: Jul 2015
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From: michigan
Warranty vs Performance always the question for many out there who buy newer bikes so here is my take, skip the underwhelming HD items when you go aftermarket with things like a cam make sure to contact the MFG about the items for example if you want the RS468 call Zippers and talk to them ask what they recommend switching out when replacing the cam and follow their instructions and everything will be fine BUT!!! if you say you want to skip the HD cam and want the 468 but only swap the cam and keep things like the stock lifters you can expect to possibly have issues down the road.
At the end of the day we can all recommend but you got to figure out how you want things to go, power is nice but if you're not your own mechanic then repeatedly taking your bike to the stealership to get worked on will get REALLY expensive ::cheers::
At the end of the day we can all recommend but you got to figure out how you want things to go, power is nice but if you're not your own mechanic then repeatedly taking your bike to the stealership to get worked on will get REALLY expensive ::cheers::
